TREK XI - Images, Footage, Trailers, Enterprise, Discussion, etc. Thread (WARNING: SPOILERS)

[JimmyB76]

'Cause this story doesn't make sense unless you read a comic most moviegoers didn't even hear about ... Alas, we got the "must read the comic to make even a little sense", more-of-the-same-but-now-in-MTV-style version. Which is why I'm still not happy with this movie, and never will be.

amen!
*cookied*
that, and the obvious product placements in the first part of the movie lol 

[Dalek]

Hopefully when JJ (if he does) makes the next film, he'll have learnt a few lessons and made it more...Trek. Hopefully.

[Villain]

Yea, maybe not the same thing, but.. something along those lines. It would be interesting to see the federation reduced to a resistance movement.

I'd be very interested in this, provided the ship got damaged more and more (Something Trek really needs to handle better), or even semi-centered on the Marine Corps aboard a ship... Either way, yes, I'd pay to see a story along those lines.

[Shadowknight1]

Either way, Nero didn't have what he needed to exact his revenge on Vulcan.  That was his main thing.  He hated Vulcan and Spock in particular.  The fact that eradicating them would save Romulus in a timeline he couldn't return to wasn't exactly part of his agenda at first.  He probably decided upon destroying the Federation after waiting around 25 years(and somehow being captured by Klingons) for Spock to return.  Once he captured the Jellyfish and the Red Matter(such a descriptive term, and if you think about it, very scientific, eg. dark matter, big bang), Nero had the tool he needed to exact his revenge.  See, Nero probably could've laid waste to the surface of Vulcan, but I think he finds it poetic justice to wipe it out of existence.

[Dante Leonhart]

Either way, Nero didn't have what he needed to exact his revenge on Vulcan. 

Excellent point

[Shadowknight1]

Also, this is from a blog on the writers Alex Kurtzman and Roberto Orci discussing some of the issues of the film, all the way down to lens flares: http://darthmojo.wordpress.com/2009/05/14/trek-scribes-speak-complaints-addressed/#more-1201 Blog there, supposedly the podcast will be up at some point, but onto the writer's explanation for the 25 year wait other than waiting for Spock:



After the incident with the USS Kelvin, did Nero and his crew really just hang around the black hole for 25 years, playing Fizbin and waiting for Spock to emerge?  Couldn?t they have used that time to, say, help Romulus avert eventual disaster?  Turns out a major cut scene explains what happened during that time frame.  After being rammed by the Kelvin, Nero?s ship was crippled; a convoy of Klingon Warbirds captured the crew and held them in a prison camp for all those years.  Eventually the Romulans escaped, reclaimed their ship, blew up 47 Klingon vessels and returned to their mission (some of this is discussed in dialog which remains in the film).  The good news is that these scenes were  completed and there is hope they may surface on the DVD.

[Dante Leonhart]

LENS FLARES: THE MOVIE

Why on Earth did JJ Abrams turn Star Trek  into a two-hour commercial for lens flare plugins?  I have to admit, upon my second viewing of the film I found this visual motif to be highly distracting and irritating.  Flares, reflections and luminous ghosts simply appear everywhere, even without any obvious sources.  The reason?  JJ wanted a visual metaphor that stated ?we have a bright future ahead of us.?   No, I?m not making this up.

Remind me to invest in sunglasses.

[RCgothic]

The new connie is about 750m long apparently. It's longer than the Sov and has more internal space than a Galaxy.

[Nebula]

eh that doesn't seem right at all....

[Billz]

eh that doesn't seem right at all....

Neither did the fact that the Kelvin had 800 people aboard and was supposdly smaller then the new Enterprise.

Both those ships seem bigger on the inside somehow. I have a feeling that J.J. is secretly a Doctor Who fan, lol.

[Nebula]

we don't know why the Kelvin had 800 crew... they could have been transporting people to some colony at the time...

How big is the Kelvin compared to a 747? A 747 at max can hold about 500 people....

[JimmyB76]

The new connie is about 750m long apparently. It's longer than the Sov and has more internal space than a Galaxy.

eh that doesn't seem right at all....

Neither did the fact that the Kelvin had 800 people aboard and was supposdly smaller then the new Enterprise.
Both those ships seem bigger on the inside somehow.

indeed - a few more failures of the movie, IMO

[Shadowknight1]

I always thought the 1701 was rather small in the first place. >.>  Seriously, I never understood the scaling of the Enterprise, especially the refit.  If I remember correctly, the saucer rim is composed of 2 decks, but it always seemed to me that it should be at least three if not five because of the windows.  I'm glad they upped the scale, I highly doubt we'd be making futuristic starships the same size as an aircraft carrier anyways.

[Dante Leonhart]

we don't know why the Kelvin had 800 crew... they could have been transporting people to some colony at the time...

How big is the Kelvin compared to a 747? A 747 at max can hold about 500 people....

But most ppl in a 747 aren't doing anything more than sitting down... and barely at that. o_O

[newman]

Indeed, if you write 800 crew then you mean 800 crew. Passengers do not factor in - they're always referred to separately. And for 800 people to run the Kelvin.. that's just plain ridiculous. What, are they afraid of the Cylons so they don't use networked computers for anything?  :lol:
Whatever the case, visually the scale doesn't seem that different to me. And was that one change in the timeline 25 years ago enough to make Starfleet completely change it's design philosophy, now making a whole lot bigger ships? Then again I shouldn't complain, it's not like it's the only little inconsistency stretched beyond belief..

[RCgothic]

I don't object to the size at all. It's the only way Engineering and the Shuttlebay would both fit inside the same ship.

[Dalek]

700+ meters? :shock: I don't care what tricks they can pull in 2258, but they would not be able to create an energy size powerful enough to power something that big. In the 24th Century, yes they can. 23rd Century? Hell no.

Wait, that can't be right. Shuttles are slightly smaller than the hangar bay doors aren't they? So either the writers have scrwed up (again) or the shuttle are 4-story buses.

[newman]

We're talking about an advanced society that powers it's ships with matter/anti-matter reactors, and has technologies like teleportation. I don't care if it's TOS era or TNG era, such a society MUST be able to power a ship that's 700m long - that's not an issue for me.
What is an issue is that someone goes back in time, destroys the Kelvin, and 25 years later the constitution class has doubled in size? What's wrong with this picture..

[Dalek]

Now someone explain the shuttles .

[undedavenger]

I'd liked to have seen an alternative timeline where the federation falls in an alternative, changed timeline, and how would this have affected the characters we knew. 'Cause this story doesn't make sense unless you read a comic most moviegoers didn't even hear about, and even then the plotholes aren't really repaired, they merely have some planks over them so you don't break your ankle in them. Might have as well gone for something radically different - if the whole point of creating an alternative timeline was to have total freedom to do what you want, why go for a slightly different federation? I say, tear it down, bring on chaos and destruction, and see how our previously optimistic heroes fare in this totally different setting. Alas, we got the "must read the comic to make even a little sense", more-of-the-same-but-now-in-MTV-style version. Which is why I'm still not happy with this movie, and never will be.

That's already been done. It's called the Mirror Universe. I think they changed enough. If they did what you are proposing, it would not have been Star Trek at all.