TREK XI - Images, Footage, Trailers, Enterprise, Discussion, etc. Thread (WARNING: SPOILERS)

[Shadowknight1]

Indeed not DT, but by that token, the windows on the saucer rim can't be for just two decks.  Otherwise, people on the upper deck would have windows at their feet and the bottom deck people would have to stand on their tiptoes.

Also, the Recreation Deck on the refit 1701 was HUGE.  Couldn't have been just two decks. ;)

[Nebula]

the deck plan on that pic is wrong because the windows are not placed properly....



I'd say ya got 3 decks there...

2 main decks and 2 half decks.

[RCgothic]

interesting except that deck 2 and up would be part of the bridge deck....

Nothing to say each deck has to be exactly the same height. I think it looks plausible.

If you downsize that ship diagram so that 2 decks become 1 deck, then it's length becomes a more manageable 362.5 meters, only slightly bigger than the TMP Enterprise. Which would also make the shuttlebay area 2 decks tall (like the TMP Connie), and the deflector assembly fits nicely within 1 deck.

I find it hard to believe that the JJ Connie is more than twice it's TMP counterpart. Simply lowering the deck count from 32 to 16, makes the ship about the size of an Intrepid Class. Ofcourse, most of the windows wouldn't quite match that diagram then, but it wouldn't be the first time Star Trek's internal and external appearances arent a 100% match, now would it?

Grasping at straws. The shuttlebay looked about that many decks high compared to the shuttles, and the windows match up pretty well, what more do you want?

[JimmyB76]

oh ffs are you people still nitpicking ship size inner decks and shit?

[Villain]

I'd wager it's a pretty important detail for future models and reference, Jimmy. ;) After all, most of us have given our two cents on the movie, and we need something to talk about! :lol: I know I'd be glad to find out the actual size incase I wanted to try my hand at the ship as a learning project!

[Tronny]

Is it just me or that pic of the New enterprise and some of the fleet.Wouldnt that be a great refrence for modders

[Villain]

I already saved them for my own personal gain

But I did notice that they're just Kelvin bashses. All of them are except the Enterprise... Slightly interesting.

[Tronny]

True think would be kool to re-inact the battle of vulcan....

[Villain]

Right on, dude. Though it's a shame it seems impossible to graze debris, would be fun to zip around the clutter in Wiley's Kelvin (I find myself enjoying that ships design more and more, moreso than the new Enterprise).

[Tronny]

Lol likewise would love to find a way to warp into the mass debri and dodge it lol.
hope a narada is released soon to battle with the kelvin

[Villain]

Wiley was working on a version of the Narada, though if I remember right, he put it on hold to work on his other projects: http://bc-central.net/forums/index.php/topic,4380.msg106212.html#msg106212

[Tronny]

sweet as cant wait. THanks:p

[WileyCoyote]

Wiley was working on a version of the Narada, though if I remember right, he put it on hold to work on his other projects

aka.......I gave up for the time being. I like that pic showing the Kelvin-Reliant.

[undedavenger]

But I did notice that they're just Kelvin bashses. All of them are except the Enterprise... Slightly interesting.

I think they were trying to get across that the Enterprise was the first of a new generation of starships, much like the Excelsior was in the original films. Hence, why the E takes a good pounding from the Narada and survives while the older ships get picked apart. The others look like Kelvin bashes the same way the Reliant looked like a bash of the TMP Enterprise. Contemporary fleets share a lot of the same aesthetic attributes.

[Villain]

Never said it was a problem, just that it was interesting that the only ships we saw all came off the same production line. Could be a tribute to the days of old where everything was "Just a Connie"

[JimmyB76]

I'd wager it's a pretty important detail for future models and reference, Jimmy. ;) After all, most of us have given our two cents on the movie, and we need something to talk about! :lol:

i hear ya, i was just joking around lol

[Villain]

I believe those two ships are in fact the Farragut and the Hood.

As for the size, it is stated during the interactive Tour of the Enterprise utilizing augmented reality that the ship is some 2,500 ft (762 m) long! I for one am more willing to pay attention to this one as it's not some random number from a non-trek magazine (Even then I wouldn't believe it), but rather because it's from a direct advertisement for the movie, and carries the proper dimensions of the ship too. And until it's said on screen, personally gonna stick with 762 m.

[strekship]

That Miranda-ish design doesn't look bad. Would probably look a little better without the engineering hull.

[FarShot]

You know, upscaling the size of the E makes sense to me.  You could see the Kelvin design becoming the TOS Ent design if the Narada's appearance didn't tip the balance, right?  Suppose that because the Narada kicked the Kelvin's ass, Starfleet relooked at their designs.  So the aesthetics largely remain the same - the clothing design only barely changed, interior design kept the colors largely the same, while advanced touchscreen interfaces were used.  The design of the Federation's flagship, the Enterprise, was rethought.  Therefore the launch date was set back, going into the command of Pike.  The appearance of the Constitution class didn't change much - only the size and technology.

Single events have always affected humanity also.  If the Bubonic Plague never came around, I guarantee the Renaissance would not have been as profound as we know it.  The supposed crash of a UFO at Roswell gave the U.S. technology to build stealth planes and such, if of course you believe in stuff like that.  And directly because of WWII, atomic power became an everyday term.

[newman]

Even though imo there's been way too much discussion about the enterprise's new size already, my 2 cents..
Bigger isn't necessarily better. Modern aircraft carriers get bigger and bigger for a reason - they need the space to operate, maintain and store their attached aircraft, which tend to be quite big - a hornet is quite longer then a galileo shuttlecraft..
However the Enterprise was never a carrier, it was always more of a jack of all trades - sure it's got a few shuttles, but it's main weapons are phasers and photon torpedoes. The new one could be seen as analogous to a heavy cruiser.
Modern day's warships, apart from carriers, tend to be a lot smaller and far less armored then their ww2 counterparts, relying on advanced detection equipment and long range weaponry to deal with their targets instead. The heavily armored battleships are a thing of the past - even though they could have endured far more fire then an aegis cruiser, modern technology allows the new ship to deal with it's targets long before it comes into range of the enemy's guns.
My point is, if you can get something to be smaller, yet get it to do the same or better job, with less required crew aboard to boot, then you really want to do that - the result is a ship that is faster, more maneuverable, has a smaller target profile, puts less men at risk, and is probably cheaper to move and maintain.
I see the new constitution class as a more heavily armed variant of the old one, federation probably wanted ships with more teeth in this timeline - and considering the technology of that age, the only way they could accomplish that was with a much larger vessel. Doesn't mean the subsequent Galaxy and Sovereign classes in this timeline (if they'll even exist) will necessarily be larger then their original timeline counterparts.