TREK XI - Images, Footage, Trailers, Enterprise, Discussion, etc. Thread (WARNING: SPOILERS)

[blaXXer]

So they don't have money in old trek, they do in nutrek...problem? I think not.

[newman]

No, that's not this trek's problem - at least I don't care about that. The major selling point of this trek is the new characters - "look, we recast these iconic characters and it works". Indeed it does. The problem is, almost everything else sucks badly, particularly the weakest story I've seen in a movie in a long time. I really don't care if the new enterprise is twice as big as the old one, or if it's got multiple cores, or if they have money this time around - at least that would make sense for a change. But a faster then light supernova that wipes out the romulans, the main villain who blames the romulan's bitter enemies ambassador for not saving their butts instead of fixing the problem in the past now that he has the chance, Earth not having a single fighter, orbital defense installation, or anything except Enterprise that can snap a mining cable in two, and many more "pearls", that's just weak. Rationalize it all you want, but this story is simply lacking every step of the way. I don't mind if someone says "well, I liked it, I shut off my brain and watched the pretty CGI and the funny characters" - fair enough. What I find annoying is when people want to like this thing but don't want to admit that the story was weak, so they come up with incredibly stretched, far fetched explanations (supported by a comic, no less) to make it "work".
You had nice, honest fun with a brainless flick - fair enough. We all have the right to kick back, offline the brain and enjoy something like this sometimes. Just don't start convincing others that the movie is smart.. it's ok to like a dumb action flick and get dazzled by pretty CGI every now and then, doesn't make you superficial - no need to go to extreme lengths to cover for this movie's bad story.
Anyways, I'm not worried for Trek. If it survived Star Trek V, it can survive anything ;)

[Vanguard]

I'm going to make a note about the notes on the previous page from the writer people.

Okay, so they've officially clarified that Enterprise is canon.

Which therefore means the 2nd series episode 'Regeneration' is canon

Which therefore means that at some point the time line must sort itself out to allow for the crew of the Enterprise D/E to come together in a ship of the exact same design with the exact same weapons in order for the E to blow up the sphere in order to allow the fragments to spread into the north pole or w/e.

So therefore, the time line must sort itself out at some point so that TNG/DS9/VOY are still canon.

[Nebula]

dude I forgot about those lines geezs...

[JimmyB76]

The problem is, almost everything else sucks badly, particularly the weakest story I've seen in a movie in a long time. I really don't care if the new enterprise is twice as big as the old one, or if it's got multiple cores, or if they have money this time around - at least that would make sense for a change. But a faster then light supernova that wipes out the romulans, the main villain who blames the romulan's bitter enemies ambassador for not saving their butts instead of fixing the problem in the past now that he has the chance, Earth not having a single fighter, orbital defense installation, or anything except Enterprise that can snap a mining cable in two, and many more "pearls", that's just weak. Rationalize it all you want, but this story is simply lacking every step of the way. I don't mind if someone says "well, I liked it, I shut off my brain and watched the pretty CGI and the funny characters" - fair enough. What I find annoying is when people want to like this thing but don't want to admit that the story was weak, so they come up with incredibly stretched, far fetched explanations (supported by a comic, no less) to make it "work".
You had nice, honest fun with a brainless flick - fair enough. We all have the right to kick back, offline the brain and enjoy something like this sometimes. Just don't start convincing others that the movie is smart.. it's ok to like a dumb action flick and get dazzled by pretty CGI every now and then, doesn't make you superficial - no need to go to extreme lengths to cover for this movie's bad story.

amen!
*cookied*

[NeoSilverThorn]

No, that's not this trek's problem - at least I don't care about that. The major selling point of this trek is the new characters - "look, we recast these iconic characters and it works". Indeed it does. The problem is, almost everything else sucks badly, particularly the weakest story I've seen in a movie in a long time. I really don't care if the new enterprise is twice as big as the old one, or if it's got multiple cores, or if they have money this time around - at least that would make sense for a change. But a faster then light supernova that wipes out the romulans, the main villain who blames the romulan's bitter enemies ambassador for not saving their butts instead of fixing the problem in the past now that he has the chance, Earth not having a single fighter, orbital defense installation, or anything except Enterprise that can snap a mining cable in two, and many more "pearls", that's just weak. Rationalize it all you want, but this story is simply lacking every step of the way. I don't mind if someone says "well, I liked it, I shut off my brain and watched the pretty CGI and the funny characters" - fair enough. What I find annoying is when people want to like this thing but don't want to admit that the story was weak, so they come up with incredibly stretched, far fetched explanations (supported by a comic, no less) to make it "work".
You had nice, honest fun with a brainless flick - fair enough. We all have the right to kick back, offline the brain and enjoy something like this sometimes. Just don't start convincing others that the movie is smart.. it's ok to like a dumb action flick and get dazzled by pretty CGI every now and then, doesn't make you superficial - no need to go to extreme lengths to cover for this movie's bad story.
Anyways, I'm not worried for Trek. If it survived Star Trek V, it can survive anything ;)

...You missed Nemesis, didn't you?

My deadpan-lack-of-sleep snarkiness aside, you do have a point.  It's got a lousy story, but it also accomplishes what it set out to do, which is reboot the continuity.  If they hadn't, odds are that Trek wouldn't have survived, much less thrived the way it honestly deserves to.  At the time Nemesis had come out, there'd been something set in the 24th century for almost two decades, the writing was getting stale, and there was much to keep the intrest of the viewers attatched to the show.  The last three movies are almost indistinguishable from one another.  Hell, Paramount got sued for letting the franchise "Stagnate and Decay."  The latest movie, lousy as the plot may be, is a breath of fresh air for the fans, and a new lease on life for a previously dying property.  The franchise wouldn't have survived another Nemesis.  Now, it won't have to.

As far as the bad story goes, by the by, I'd suggest going and watching some TOS episodes.  Bad, campy stories is something that classic Trek thrives on.

[blaXXer]

I'm going to make a note about the notes on the previous page from the writer people.

Okay, so they've officially clarified that Enterprise is canon.

Which therefore means the 2nd series episode 'Regeneration' is canon

Which therefore means that at some point the time line must sort itself out to allow for the crew of the Enterprise D/E to come together in a ship of the exact same design with the exact same weapons in order for the E to blow up the sphere in order to allow the fragments to spread into the north pole or w/e.

So therefore, the time line must sort itself out at some point so that TNG/DS9/VOY are still canon.

No, the timeline was, as it always were until the narada came through the singularity and f***ed everything up.

ENT is, was, and has always been, canon.

Onscreen (live-action) = canon.
It's simple, really.


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[newman]

Apparently the concept of co-existing, parallel timelines is too much for some people to comprehend. They even use the phrase "alternative reality" in the movie. Not sure why is it so difficult to comprehend that both timelines are canon, I'd expect sci fi fans to be able to grasp the concept of parallel timelines.
Neo: no, I didn't miss nemesis, and I don't even disagree with what you say. They did let the franchise go stale. The new movie is a way for it to survive. I'm not even disputing that - everything about this movie tells you that it's a starter for the new Trek. I just worry a bit about how good is that new Trek going to be, if the same people who wrote this story keep on writing it. I personally wouldn't mind seeing some different names at the helm of the next one..

[Dalek]

Apparently the concept of co-existing, parallel timelines is too much for some people to comprehend.

I think of it as one big line and whenever "alternate reality" comes along, that line splits, the new line being the alternate universe and the main line being the Prime universe. I simplify things down so I can understand it.

Btw, I'm seeing the film tomorow. Finally.

[Shadowknight1]

There was a credit system in place in TOS for quite some time, otherwise, how would Cyrano Jones have sold tribbles without it?

And I sure hope that the writers continue, they did a fantastic job with the characters.  I just hope that they do something different with the sequel though.  I'm tired of the whole "Earth is in trouble and only the Enterprise can save it" storyline.  Nor do I want to see Khan, the Doomsday Machine, V'Ger, or the whalesong probe.

[Nebula]

I like the Gorn idea I've seen over at trekmovie.

[Vanguard]

No, the timeline was, as it always were until the narada came through the singularity and f***ed everything up.

ENT is, was, and has always been, canon.

Onscreen (live-action) = canon.
It's simple, really.

However some fans do not view it as canon (Especially the episode stated =P), now, basically, that episode is evidence that at some point the timeline un-f***s itself and TNG/DS9/VOY continue as normal.


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[Shadowknight1]

No, the timeline was, as it always were until the narada came through the singularity and fucked everything up.

ENT is, was, and has always been, canon.

Onscreen (live-action) = canon.
It's simple, really.

However some fans do not view it as canon (Especially the episode stated =P), now, basically, that episode is evidence that at some point the timeline un-fucks itself and TNG/DS9/VOY continue as normal.

In that case, same fans should render over half of TOS "non-canon" because they refer to the Federation as the "United Earth Space Probe Agency" and so on.

Also there's nothing in the new movie that says TNG/DS9/VOY can't happen.  There will be some differences, especially in the fact that some Vulcan officers(Vorik perhaps) won't have been born.

Oooo, the Gorn!  That'd be awesome to see, especially since we've had two episodes with Gorn in the entire 43 year history of Trek.

[Dalek]

Mmmmm....Gorn. If that does happen and JJ screws that up too, I am soooo gonna kill him.

[blaXXer]

No, the timeline was, as it always were until the narada came through the singularity and f***ed everything up.

ENT is, was, and has always been, canon.

Onscreen (live-action) = canon.
It's simple, really.

However some fans do not view it as canon (Especially the episode stated =P), now, basically, that episode is evidence that at some point the timeline un-f***s itself and TNG/DS9/VOY continue as normal.


_{vulgarity censored...}

Nope.

ENT, as it were, was the result of the ENT-E travelling back in time in FC. Thusly, the Borg Sphere, or the remains thereof, remained stranded on Earth.
Now, fast-forward to the ENT-E returning to their own time-period and cue Insurrection and Nemesis. A few years after Nemesis, Romulus goes boom and Nero goes apeshit, gets sucked into a blackhole with Spock Prime in tow and ends up in the vicinity of the USS Kelvin.

-Up until then everything happened as it normally would-

We cut now back to the Narada shootin' the livin' beejebus out of the Kelvin and, eventually destroying it, killing Kirk's Daddy, forcing his Mom to go into labour early and so forth. THAT would be the main point of divergence that changes the timeline irreparably. Which leads to a new future where we cannot be sure if everything transpires as it should. ZAPP!

[FarShot]

On the note of sequel ideas, since the Narada had Borg technology, isn't it possible that some of the remains that got sucked into the black hole survived and still remain functional?  What if the Borg reclaimed the debris?  And what if they tracked it back to the Federation?

Where I'm going is...
Kirk versus the Borg?

[JimmyB76]

lets please hold off on sequel ideas and discussions...  it is way too early to begin a whole speculative conversation about that...
sometime in the future, when more info about the sequel is released, we can go into a whole discussion about that

[Dalek]

lets please hold off on sequel ideas and discussions...  it is way too early to begin a whole speculative conversation about that...
sometime in the future, when more info about the sequel is released, we can go into a whole discussion about that

Yup, and waste about 71 pages on that one lol.

Now then...we've all argued about the storyline and the CGI effects but theres oen thign we haven't properly discussed...the soundtrack!

[Billz]

I loved the soundtrack. 

I saw the movie again today. I went to see it just to get a firm grasp of it. It was meh. I mainly wanted to give it a second try to convince me that it could save Trek. And to be honest, it seemed kinda boring.

Not much else to say besides what is already in my first review.

I mainly went again to see if I could notice any in-jokes, references or anything of the like. The only references to LOST was the mentioning of some of the numbers and even they are only coincidental. 2233.04. And 2258.42. M.I:3 briefly appears as a alpha-numerical designation in the transporter room. Its clearly a nod to Mission Impossible 3, another movie with which J.J. Abrams and Simon Pegg were involved with.

James Cawley ('New Voyages' James Kirk) had a cameo right near the end before Chris Pine (Kirk) got his medal. And I also noticed that Bruce Geenwood (Pike) was wearing a costume similar to Will Shatner's Admiral uniform from 'ST1: The Motion Picture' while in his wheel chair.

I didn't see the Tribble with Simon Pegg (Scotty) on Delta Vega.

Also, a Romulan with a British accent, lol?

I have not been keeping up with this thread. Its 70+ pages long so I hope you are not expecting me to re-read the whole thing. I am sorry if these were already mentioned.

Also, 'Hi Christopher, I'm Nero'? I lol'd.

[Nebula]

I found the soundtrack to be fitting and refreshing... the end credit's tracks just put everything together with the redone TOS theme.

the Tribble is in a bird cage to the right and up from Scotty when you first see him on that desk.