Author Topic: TREK XI - Images, Footage, Trailers, Enterprise, Discussion, etc. Thread (WARNING: SPOILERS)  (Read 206770 times)

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So it's partly our fault too. We live in a world where we want everything right now, handed to us on a plate and everything is explained so we can just sit and stare at the screen without thinking and too that end action adventure films are just a series of action sequences strung together with other stuff, like semi naked Orion girls, to keep us from thinking and asking questions.

It's by having the audience ask questions and seeking answers that draws us into the film, makes us get swept away and not realise we're sitting in a cinema. Seeking the answers to questions raised in our minds makes us want to see the film through to the end and sometimes we don't get the answers as Nicholas Myer once said, 'it's not my job to provide you with the answers.'

This has been an on going trend in Hollywood for quite some time now and Star Trek has somehow managed to stay immune because the people working on the film understood the fans have brains and like to fill in pieces of the puzzle themselves. Perhaps we should breathe a sigh of relief though as Star Wars fell victim too with Episode 3 being a perfect example.

I long for the day films are built around a good solid story and we're stopped being treated like idiots.

My views on the matter precisely. Cookied.
Trek was never the most cerebral of a franchise in the first place, but it was always more then just a collection of badly cut action scenes (apart from Star Trek V, which was less :) ).

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Would it be possible for all the haters, to quit publically trashing the movie because they didn't happen to like the movie? It's fine if you have an opinion, but thats just what it is... YOUR opinion. Quite a few of us actually enjoyed the movie, regardless of its flaws. I recall the exact same debating going on while ENTERPRISE was still on the air. Enough is enough I say.

As for ship size, do we really need several pages of debating the size and how it may not seem exactly like it did 40 years ago? Sheesh, it's a movie guys, and leave it at that.
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Would it be possible for all the haters, to quit publically trashing the movie because they didn't happen to like the movie?

No.

Exactly the same can be said in reverse! Quit trying to excuse all the hundreds of flaws and disregard for the everything about Trek. My negative opinion of the film is no less valid than yours, and I'm just as entitled to it. If you don't like people bashing the film, then perhaps you should steer clear of this thread.

So it's partly our fault too. We live in a world where we want everything right now, handed to us on a plate and everything is explained so we can just sit and stare at the screen without thinking and too that end action adventure films are just a series of action sequences strung together with other stuff, like semi naked Orion girls, to keep us from thinking and asking questions.

It's by having the audience ask questions and seeking answers that draws us into the film, makes us get swept away and not realise we're sitting in a cinema. Seeking the answers to questions raised in our minds makes us want to see the film through to the end and sometimes we don't get the answers as Nicholas Myer once said, 'it's not my job to provide you with the answers.'

This has been an on going trend in Hollywood for quite some time now and Star Trek has somehow managed to stay immune because the people working on the film understood the fans have brains and like to fill in pieces of the puzzle themselves. Perhaps we should breathe a sigh of relief though as Star Wars fell victim too with Episode 3 being a perfect example.

I long for the day films are built around a good solid story and we're stopped being treated like idiots. Well that's my two cents.

You've really hit the nail on the head there! The fact that Trek isn't just a string of pointless, vagely related action sequences is what drew me too it so much! And part of the reason why I really don't think that this film deserves the title Star Trek!
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Would it be possible for all the haters, to quit publically trashing the movie because they didn't happen to like the movie? It's fine if you have an opinion, but thats just what it is... YOUR opinion. Quite a few of us actually enjoyed the movie, regardless of its flaws. I recall the exact same debating going on while ENTERPRISE was still on the air. Enough is enough I say.

No, it wouldn't.
See, the problem with discussions like these is that certain people expect to convince the other side. I have no such expectations, and am perfectly fine with you and people like you liking it. I'm capable of going on for the next 100 pages talking about the movie without getting insulted just because someone else has a different opinion of it. The problem, of course, is that a lot of people actually can't handle the fact that someone else has a different opinion, which really says something about their fragile egos.
So in short, no, there's no reason we should stop, and I don't see you stopping defending it, either. No reason why it should bother you or me.. The way I see it, you liked it, so you're the lucky one.

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I had a light bulb moment last night about this movie.

I believe what we have here is a dumbing down of films to suit the audience. What do I mean by that? Well if you look at interviews with the writers about Star Trek and even the last Transformers film you'll notice they want to explain everything so not to confuse us or have us asking questions. Examples being about the reason there's no viewscreen in Trek or no female Autobots in the first Transformers film.

So it's partly our fault too. We live in a world where we want everything right now, handed to us on a plate and everything is explained so we can just sit and stare at the screen without thinking and too that end action adventure films are just a series of action sequences strung together with other stuff, like semi naked Orion girls, to keep us from thinking and asking questions.

It's by having the audience ask questions and seeking answers that draws us into the film, makes us get swept away and not realise we're sitting in a cinema. Seeking the answers to questions raised in our minds makes us want to see the film through to the end and sometimes we don't get the answers as Nicholas Myer once said, 'it's not my job to provide you with the answers.'

This has been an on going trend in Hollywood for quite some time now and Star Trek has somehow managed to stay immune because the people working on the film understood the fans have brains and like to fill in pieces of the puzzle themselves. Perhaps we should breathe a sigh of relief though as Star Wars fell victim too with Episode 3 being a perfect example.

I long for the day films are built around a good solid story and we're stopped being treated like idiots. Well that's my two cents.
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Would it be possible for all the haters, to quit publically trashing the movie because they didn't happen to like the movie? It's fine if you have an opinion, but thats just what it is... YOUR opinion. Quite a few of us actually enjoyed the movie, regardless of its flaws. I recall the exact same debating going on while ENTERPRISE was still on the air. Enough is enough I say.
and, no (as has been said)
too many times were people in this thread persecuted or jumped on or debated or attacked for not absolutely loving this movie...  in this thread alone (not to mention the general attitude at other forums), god forbid should anyone not be jumping up and down clapping and screeching "i loooooove this new generic dumbed down flashy sexy and CGI-ridden cool new Star Trek!" people would be given a realm of shit for speaking out against, or speaking any objection towards, this movie...
so, no - as much as the film-lovers get to speak their praises, the film-haters get to speak their objections...
no one in particular is being insulted, no one in this thread is being disrespected (as yet, and i do watch out for shit like that lol) so stop taking it so personally as tho this movie was your own personal project and the world is shitting on it... (i dont mean that directly at you, so much as i mean it towards the film-lovers who hate the film-objectors)
the more people dont like it, the better this conversation goes, IMO...

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Wow,mckinneyc. I completely agree with you, even though I loved the movie, I can see how you are right. (See folks, this is why we have discussion threads. To discuss things and possibly enlighten each other. :P)

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I know these views are unpopular, but I have never courted popularity. Same as this guy here.


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bypassing all these arguments... I give you the latest numbers...

2009 movies (Domestic)Gross($Millions)
Star Trek$194.8
Monsters v. Aliens $194.0
X-Men Origins: Wolverine $166.3
Fast and Furious$153.7
Paul Blart: Mall Cop$146.3


Star Trek franchise (domestic)Inflation adjusted Gross ($Millions)
ST: The Motion Picture$239.1
ST IV: The Voyage Home$212.3
Star Trek$194.8
ST II: The Wrath of Khan$192.3
ST III: The Search For Spock$163.2
ST: First Contact$149.5
ST: Generations$129.9
ST: The Undiscovered Country$127.7
ST: Insurrection $107.5
ST: The Final Frontier$94.0
ST: Nemesis $53.4
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lol poor Nemesis... i dunno, i didnt find that one all that bad personally, i like Nemesis...
but thats another convo for another thread...

im not surprised Trek XI did so well, they certainly promoted the hell out of it (not that thats a bad thing, mind you)
i will admit, i am eager to read the comic(s) and then watch this movie again with the footage that was cut-out...
i think ill understand it all better perhaps...

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semi naked Orion girls

Nothing wrong with that! :lol:

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Yeah, I liked Nemesis too. But also like Jimmy said, thats for another topic.

Now then, something I want sorted: Wheres the tribble? :P
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Would it be possible for all the haters, to quit publically trashing the movie because they didn't happen to like the movie? It's fine if you have an opinion, but thats just what it is... YOUR opinion. Quite a few of us actually enjoyed the movie, regardless of its flaws. I recall the exact same debating going on while ENTERPRISE was still on the air. Enough is enough I say.

As for ship size, do we really need several pages of debating the size and how it may not seem exactly like it did 40 years ago? Sheesh, it's a movie guys, and leave it at that.

Darkthunder you're completely missing a strong component of Trek, to respect other people's views and beliefs even if you don't agree with them. Also Star Trek isn't just a movie, it's an institution, an idea and a future worth working towards.

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Would it be possible for all the haters, to quit publically trashing the movie because they didn't happen to like the movie? It's fine if you have an opinion, but thats just what it is... YOUR opinion. Quite a few of us actually enjoyed the movie, regardless of its flaws. I recall the exact same debating going on while ENTERPRISE was still on the air. Enough is enough I say.

As for ship size, do we really need several pages of debating the size and how it may not seem exactly like it did 40 years ago? Sheesh, it's a movie guys, and leave it at that.

Darkthunder you're completely missing a strong component of Trek, to respect other people's views and beliefs even if you don't agree with them. Also Star Trek isn't just a movie, it's an institution, an idea and a future worth working towards.

And also that ended a post ago with my question of: Wheres the Tribble?
"To live on as we have is to leave behind joy, and love, and companionship, because we know it to be transitory, of the moment. We know it will turn to ash. Only those whose lives are brief can imagine that love is eternal. You should embrace that remarkable illusion. It may be the greatest gift your race has ever received."

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Would it be possible for all the haters, to quit publically trashing the movie because they didn't happen to like the movie? It's fine if you have an opinion, but thats just what it is... YOUR opinion. Quite a few of us actually enjoyed the movie, regardless of its flaws. I recall the exact same debating going on while ENTERPRISE was still on the air. Enough is enough I say.

As for ship size, do we really need several pages of debating the size and how it may not seem exactly like it did 40 years ago? Sheesh, it's a movie guys, and leave it at that.

Darkthunder you're completely missing a strong component of Trek, to respect other people's views and beliefs even if you don't agree with them. Also Star Trek isn't just a movie, it's an institution, an idea and a future worth working towards.

And also that ended a post ago with my question of: Wheres the Tribble?

When you are first introduced to Scotty (the desk where his feet are up) the Tribble is on the top right in the bird cage.
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Well shucks. I only started looking till after that bit. *starts muttering and grumbling curses at not seeing the tribble* I like tribbles.
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I loved the tribble in Enterprise! Phlox feeding it to one of his creatures much to Hoshi's dismay!

Also what was that little dude with Scotty?

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Also what was that little dude with Scotty?
lol ya - what was that thing?

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i thought it looked like a midget Jem'hadar

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