Author Topic: TREK XI - Images, Footage, Trailers, Enterprise, Discussion, etc. Thread (WARNING: SPOILERS)  (Read 206784 times)

Offline Dalek

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So, if this is an alternate timeline and they fix everything, then we're going to see something akin to the Gabe Prise in the "Prime" timeline! Hoorah for making things look good!
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it would have been nice to see what happened with B-4...

yet another reason they should have done a post-Nemesis movie instead of an alternate-reality-parallel-universe-already-been-done movie lol :P

They exhausted TNG. Berman admits it, the cast mostly admits it, the writers admit it. There was nothing left to write for Picard and company.

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perhaps...  maybe they could have done something with the Titan, or perhaps something related the DS9 or Voyager crews or both; i mean, there are several other things they could have done post-Nemesis that may not even have much to do with Picard and the Enterprise...  or hell, do something in "The Lost Era" (Ent-B, Ent-C realm)...

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I think the argument for no-one doing a lost era film thing is because if it's something like a Stargazer story (Picards first year of command for instance), then you know he's going to live. But the ending of the Ent-B would be most interesting.

On topic: Bring on the Kelvin/JJPrise!
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They exhausted TNG. Berman admits it, the cast mostly admits it, the writers admit it. There was nothing left to write for Picard and company.

And yet, most of the TNG cast still are open to doing more movies, if offered. Latest was Jonathan Frakes making this statement, and even Patrick Stewart is open to the idea.
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they were prolly pissed when they heard of a new Trek movie and it wasnt gonna be them lol :P

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Doubtful.  And that's surprising to hear that Stewart is open to another movie considering that in most interviews after Nemesis, he claimed he was "hanging up the space suit."


RIP Majel Barrett-Roddenberry :(  I'm glad that she completed her work for the new movie, that definitely gives me a reason to see it now.  I don't know about the rest of you, but the fact that they chose to cast her as the voice of the Enterprise one more time is the greatest honor they could have bestowed on this movie.

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They exhausted TNG. Berman admits it, the cast mostly admits it, the writers admit it. There was nothing left to write for Picard and company.

And yet, most of the TNG cast still are open to doing more movies, if offered. Latest was Jonathan Frakes making this statement, and even Patrick Stewart is open to the idea.

Stewart stated he was out, Spiner says he's too old, McFadden has little interest in another film. The only ones who want another film (dare I say it) are the ones who don't have other decent jobs in showbusiness. I'm sorry, I said it.

And even if they did all want to be in another movie, it will tank. There's nothing left to really write about for them anymore. It won't draw in an audience.

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Stewart stated he was out, Spiner says he's too old, McFadden has little interest in another film. The only ones who want another film (dare I say it) are the ones who don't have other decent jobs in showbusiness. I'm sorry, I said it.

Jonathan Frakes is directing movies, most recently the latest part of the "made for tv" The Librarian-series. Seen the past two installments of this, and it was pretty good. Quite similar to the Indiana Jones movies in fact. I don't know, I think being a director should count as a "decent job in showbusiness" :P

Same with LeVar Burton, he's directing various episodes of different tv shows. While they may not be in front of the camera much anymore, they're still involved in showbusiness, albeit from behind the camera instead.

And even if they did all want to be in another movie, it will tank. There's nothing left to really write about for them anymore. It won't draw in an audience.

And you know this as fact? Main reason Nemesis tanked, was because it had one of the worst directors in movie history directing it. A guy who had never once seen an episode or movie of Star Trek, complete and utter disrespect to the majority of the cast, and cut away any meaningful scenes that could've been in the movie, in favour of more "action" elements, which sadly most movies today tend to favour. That, coupled with the lousy script (written by a fan, and in part Brent Spiner's involvement) made Nemesis tank. Better script + Better director = Better movie.

Regardless what others think, I thought both First Contact and Insurrection were pretty good movies. Insurrection definitely is lightyears better than the POS film we got as "last" TNG movie.
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They exhausted TNG. Berman admits it, the cast mostly admits it, the writers admit it. There was nothing left to write for Picard and company.

And yet, most of the TNG cast still are open to doing more movies, if offered. Latest was Jonathan Frakes making this statement, and even Patrick Stewart is open to the idea.

Stewart stated he was out, Spiner says he's too old, McFadden has little interest in another film. The only ones who want another film (dare I say it) are the ones who don't have other decent jobs in showbusiness. I'm sorry, I said it.

And even if they did all want to be in another movie, it will tank. There's nothing left to really write about for them anymore. It won't draw in an audience.

In a recent interview it would seem the Stewart wouldn't mind going back and doing another,

"iF: At the same time, do you feel sad that the NEXT GEN movies have come to an end?
FRAKES: Yes. By all means. I had dinner with Patrick [Stewart] last week and we were both ready to go back to do another one."

http://trekmovie.com/2008/12/05/frakes-up-on-star-trek-2009-up-for-more-tng/

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Either way, we don't need another TNG film directed and written by people who don't know the characters.  Nor do we need Berman trying to keep the film length under two hours.  Data's death in Nemesis was barely poignant for me.  It wasn't until the 2 disc DVD release with the deleted scene of Geordi and Worf cleaning out Data's quarters that I really felt Data was gone.  No matter what would become of B4, he would not be Data, and for Data to have known that and yet still willingly sacrifice his life to save his friends and family...it wasn't the logical thing to do...but it was the human thing to do.  And that's the only part of Nemesis that still felt like the last few movies as far as storytelling went.  The special effects were top notch and the space dogfight was one of the best in Trek so far.  Goldsmith's score was first rate, and to me saved the movie from being utter garbage.  But the pacing, the length, and worst of all, the actor who played Shinzon...to me, that kept Nemesis from becoming what it could have been.

And here's my reasoning for the "reboot" of the franchise winning out over another TNG movie.  Look around here people.  We're growing older, and there aren't many new fans being brought into our world.  Star Trek is dying, and has been since the DS9 era.  It has nothing to do with the quality of the shows or the movies.  It has to do with the fact that the casual moviegoer is not going to want to see Star Trek XI: TNG 6 or whatever because...it's not their world.  The Next Generation crew has a history, and while we, as Trekkies, know that history like the back of our hands, others don't.  They can't go into Star Trek Nemesis without at least seeing the previous movies or the TNG series.  They certainly couldn't drop an audience into the "Lost Era" and expect them to know what brought Starfleet to that place.  They would have to know about the Enterprise 1701 through B.  In order to give it fresh life, we needed to step back to the beginning.  I know that's what Enterprise tried to do, but Enterprise still relied heavily on everything before it, and that's why it didn't do well.  What this movie needs to do is to focus on the origins, show these characters meeting, show the events leading up to Kirk taking command of the Enterprise.  And it needs to do it in a way that can not only pay tribute to all that went before and the millions of fans around the world, but also attract new fans.  My 15 year old sister has disliked Star Trek for her whole life.  When she saw the new trailer, her words were, "That looks pretty cool."  My friend who hates Star Trek with the same passion that Kirk hates Klingons saw the new trailer and said, "That actually looks pretty interesting."  My professor at school, who is as old a fan as any of us said, "Wow, that looks great!"  Even people that I know that are the most devoted purists of all time all agree that the new movie looks awesome so far.  I know this rant is getting quite long, but let me just put forth one final point here.  The Dark Knight.  When me and most of my friends heard that Heath Ledger was going to be the Joker, we were all apprehensive.  We didn't think he could pull it off.  We thought it would be awful.  And then we saw it.  We saw Heath Ledger's Joker, and we knew.  Heath Ledger is the Joker.  That part has been forever changed by him, and in the best way possible.  That's the kind of feeling I'm starting to get from this new Star Trek.  At first, I was, like many of you, apprehensive.  Then the images and the trailer came.  Those things have erased my doubt.  This is truly "The Next Generation" of Star Trek.  I'm proud to say that I'll be there opening day to be blown away by this new movie.  And my final points come not from me, per se, but from a certain Vulcan.  The first: "There are always possibilities."  And the second, and most important for ANY Star Trek fan to remember: "Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations."  Out of all the movies, I think THIS one will portray that philosophy best.

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i cant wait until the next KHAAAAN! remake...

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i cant wait until the next KHAAAAN! remake...

A documentary.  The Life and Demise of Khan Noonien Singh.  Picard will make it during a movie about his rising to command the stargazer.  if this one succeeds, which I think it will.

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Only 3 reasons to see Star Trek XI:
Simon Pegg is in it. Simon Pegg = INSTANT WIN.
Majel Barrett-Roddenbury's last acting job. She best damn well get a dedication note in the credits.
Going to see iF J.J Abrams slips any references to 'LOST' in it. Hoping for a 'not-so-much-seen' ship as in 'USS Oceanic N.C.C 0815'
Can't wait for 2014 to start.

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Only 3 reasons to see Star Trek XI:
Simon Pegg is in it. Simon Pegg = INSTANT WIN.
Majel Barrett-Roddenbury's last acting job. She best damn well get a dedication note in the credits.
Going to see iF J.J Abrams slips any references to 'LOST' in it. Hoping for a 'not-so-much-seen' ship as in 'USS Oceanic N.C.C 0815'
Here's 3 more:
Going to see IF J.J Abrams' movie does any good to the Original Series timeline.
Going to see IF J.J Abrams' movie does its job and reviatlizes Trek.
Going to see a new Star Trek film because its Star Trek.

although I think yours and my # 2 reasons should be repeated because of their importance.

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Going to see iF J.J Abrams slips any references to 'LOST' in it. Hoping for a 'not-so-much-seen' ship as in 'USS Oceanic N.C.C 0815'
lol $100 says there will be some random ship in some background scene with the registry of NCC-4815162342 :P

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*Hopes to god this doesn't turn into another canon/non-canon flame-job*

Re-directing this back to topic, or closer to something less inevitably flame-ish, I'm definitely going to go see this movie... regardless of the galaxy-quest style of the ship's interrior... which does drive me nuts. Otherwise, it has Nemoy. Ftw. And my gods, if they don't make a dedication in the credits, then I'll be a bit upset. :arms:

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I think that there would be a massive lynching party if JJ didn't do that.

I personally like the new bridge, especially since they built that second turbolift.  I mean seriously, one door on and off of the TOS bridge?  A nice piece of ceiling drops in front of that door and boom, the bridge crew is probably gonna die. :P  And the HUD on the viewscreen is a nice touch, makes it look more like a display for the crew rather than a window.

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Did anyone else notice before the '1701' on the underside of the secondary hull, behind the deflector?

Look at the details of her carefully all they've done is backdate the TMP Enterprise, look at the phaser banks, the sensor dome and and the airlock posistions.

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Yes. We know. This is an alternate timeline film where something which causes the Enterprise to get new updates never seen in TOS to happen. So yes, airlocks deflector, phasers the lot.
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