Author Topic: ATTN MODDERS: Too Many Fed Ships These Days / Lack Of Variety (posts split from Screenshot thread)  (Read 10897 times)

Offline sovereign001

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Well here is my 10 cents. I can only speak for myself but I'm a star trek fan first and foremost. I have given myself the personnel mission of building all the Enterprise's. As you guys know the 1701-E is under way and my excelsior will be modded in to the 1701-B.

But let's not forget in the last 18 months I have released as a member of SFRD. 4 Klingon ships and 1 Romulan. Also a Cardassion station in the form of DS9, and tholians. I have also started a Klingon BOP but nothing worth showing yet as still in the research stage. I also will be building a fed ship based on the sov and possibly doing a nebula class but also might do ferengi maurader.

So until Excalibur is up and running I'm not planning on going anywhere. And hopefully I can continue there as well.

I love your work baz, your station is placed as gold in my bc map. Your d7 is also fantastic, so i hope you will continue making beauties like this ;)


@farshot: if i had the lust to model i will do it. For my 3d graphics, i created in a week between other stuff actually the jupiter station and i never touched 3d programs, except lightwave to make 3d movies.

The reason i'm not creating any screenshots these months, is because i don't see the need, variety in it anymore.

Mc and Kill can take it over if they wish ;)

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yer i am trying (big word on trying) to build a B'rel BOP for the mod :D but also have a dominion bug in the works - but basically sov001 your moaining about too many this and too many that right?? but what about my new connie (tos) and all the other TOS stuff im working on. I'm only new and trying to show off my stuff so one day i'll be like baz wiley dj and farshot. but why would i do somthing i dont want too to learn?? i mean if i was stuck doing things i didn't wanna do i never would of gotten into modeling.. i mean yer learn modding by doing something i don't like - Wouldn't that be like a job?? and im deffently not getting paid for it...Personally I'm making loads of tos stuff as i feel there's not much out there - except the real connie - ok so baz wiley and every other bugger has done one - but why can't i, like the freedom of speech, i can build what i like when i like how i like.. no one is forced to download it. sov you go say you won't take any screenshots of my b'rel just coz farshot said somthing he was right in saying..

Look at this in this prosective with out any of us. the GAME WOULD BE DEAD BY NOW ... enjoy what you're given and live with it., or learn how to do it your self i would like to think we're all adults here and we shouldn't have to resort to all this bitchyness!

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I guess I'll sum up my side by saying the age old adage...

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... we're not having this discussion, are we ???

sorry lads if I say it but that whole variety issue smells like horse crap to me... after all it's about a dozen of modders who keep this game alive, I've been getting emails about last ships released (Exeter and Vendetta) that they are yet another spinoffs from connie and defiant, or 'who-do-you-think-we-are-to-fly-fed-ships-onnly' attitude...

I'm with Jimmy here, i'm sick ofthe whining.

why do we even discuss this ? wouldn't be easier to just make request (which most modders do not take anyway due to time limitations)

but who am I kidding... nowadays people accuse modders that they are lazy and lack imagination because you know we're getting paid for this stuff, that's why we work on 10 years old game, it's all about money ... oh wait ... it isn't, silly us, modders, we waste our time for free and get bashed during the process ... (that's the risk tobe taken, I know, haters gonna hate anyway)

I've learnt this new cool attitude after recent argument in BCF download section (forementioned Exeter and Vendetta class) towrds comments like 'you guys are dumb, 'you lack imagination' or 'you always build everything upon connie' ... this attitude is called : "like I give a f**k/frak"             "deal with it" attitude comes next and Ithink this is the best place to apply itso I'll say it :D

Deal with it :D


I don't mean to be troll or ass, just figured out I'll say out loud what's grinding my gears ;)

thank you for your attention.

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Oke then.


Last edit and last post:

i find it very sad almost pathetic, that a message placed by the messenger(someone that has the balls to stand up and post a well-shared opinion) gets soo much hatred. I'm not attacking any modders, i even thanked them for the beautiful ships, hence the screenshots. I even sent wiley, a week ago a pm if he wanted some graphical help for advertising his new mod. I gave myself up for the testing for JB's pack.

The message only asked that there could be in the future, perhaps more variety in the ships. Different races. I don't even think that this is wrong?

Still, i (and the others) know enough.

PS: the raise in my cookie bar since these posts, says enough.

Grtz Sov.

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I can understand Sovereign001's opinion. DJ, Baz, and myself seem to be releasing mostly Fed ships.

If anyone is new to the modding/modeling scene, they will most likely build the very ships that made Star Trek popular- the Enterprise. Fed ships are simply more fun to build and there is more reference widely available.

With the start of the ST: Invasion Mod, more alien ships will be seen (guaranteed).

I have built the Independence Day ships, and more recently, the Sona Battleship. The Scimitar is on my to-build list (and possibly the Valdores), and they are about ready to be built (maybe one will be available for Christmas). When I get my Akira done, I will attempt to start on one of these ships (now would be the best time than ever).

Summer has just started and I tend to release more mods during the summer.....
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Ah, well played, Jimmy, well played...

Also, another point, inspired by something Jimmy said:
All of us modders could easily go over to Excalibur and ask to help out, heck, DJ already did,  and leave BC for good

Strictly not true... he did work for Excalibur for a wee bit, but is now he doesn't nor is any work included... DJ came back to bcc, why you ask....no time or Excal for or no glory there like he has here?   :bow:

All of us modders could easily go over to Excalibur and ask to help out, heck, DJ already did, and leave BC for good.  I don't, personally, because I know I or someone else will port my ships over anyways.  Heck, if I had my way, I'd much rather have all you users of our ships grovelling at our feet saying thank you for sticking around when so many have moved on.

Well Farshot, the texture spec for Excal is a lot different from BC, so when it does come out, it might be best for you to learn, if you want your work looking the best as possible ;)


So until Excalibur is up and running I'm not planning on going anywhere. And hopefully I can continue there as well.

Haha that's what you think :P *Steals baz away forever  :evil:*

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Stick those Mirandas on your list Wiley  :hide  :P

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hey, even I'M jumping a bit, thanks to helping Hobbs with his stuff.  i even dug up my first kitbash, and hobbs had a little fun with it.  i'm doing some tweaking to the model for a proper version using what Hobbs already did.  heck, I'm even looking at knocking up one of my bridge designs!

I've always had plans for throwing in my REAL p-Star ships, if I can figure out how to actually model.  i can also finish my P-Star pack I've even played with the card hybrid, i started a retex of the the Marauder, and I fixed several "broken" cardy mods, thanks to betaing starforce's last goodie pack.


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Strictly not true... he did work for Excalibur for a wee bit, but is now he doesn't nor is any work included... DJ came back to bcc, why you ask....no time or Excal for or no glory there like he has here?   :bow:

I put the "DJ already did" before the "leave BC for good" because I knew he didn't leave permanently.  I'd be an idiot to think that considering he just released three ships which I beta tested.  I was referring to the fact that he did go over to Excalibur and help.  The "DJ already did" was referring specifically to that fact.

Regardless, the fact is DJ did put time into modding something other than BC, and my original point remains valid - we who are left are the only ones keeping the modding scene alive for BC.  There are no other forums, no other modders besides who you see here.

Also, Bones mentioned making requests.  It's pretty much taboo around here to request someone make a certain ship.  The complaint that we modders should quit wasting time on Fed ships and do others is like making a request for tons of ships, just as long as they aren't Fed.  Then when we're downvoted for doing what we want instead of what "they", whoever "they" is, want, it's easy to see why we get tired of it.

And Sov, I'm not talking about you.  All you all can go to the comments section of the Exeter class FSB Shipyards released at BCF and see that.

That being said, I'm working on Invasion too, so there's some more alien ships coming, like Wiley said.

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I'll state my opinion on the matter:

As a long-time "lurker" of Bridge Commander forums over the years, I've mostly been the grateful recipient of all the hard work that has been made over the years, to keep this game alive. Not many games these days, enjoy a lifetime of 10 years+. And with games going in the direction of "Online only" and "not moddable", it's rare to see newer games support a healthy modding community. I know i've had a fair number of disagreements with members of the community, but i've also tried to support the modders whenever possible. I've even actively defended modders who were subjected to "mod thefts", which often resulted in catching some flak of my own.

The modders of BC (what few there are left), does alot of work on their free time, and at no pay. The least anyone can ask, is that we as recipients, be greatful for the mods we get (no matter if it's 10 different Sovereign Classes, or a mixture of Feds, Klingons and Rommies). I understand Sov's argument, that there is a certain disproportional lean towards Federation ships, and less focus on "alien ships", but that I chalk upto primarily being due to the Feds having been seen the most, and having the most references available. As stated above, a new modder will likely attempt modelling one of the most famous of ships, that which is the "Enterprise" (any letter assigned).

It is our job as community members, to encourage modders to continue their hard work, and submit constructive criticism on how to potentially improve a given design (canon or otherwise). Most modders have their own unique "vision" of what they want to achieve with their models/textures, and ultimately it is their decision in the end, on what the end result may be.

I'm hoping the BC community will continue to live on past the release of ST: Excalibur, but I also understand why many (including myself), may flock towards playing and modding Excalibur instead. BC is after all, 10 years old, and running on outdated system specs/capabilities. Excalibur will be alot more up-to-date, and due to it being developed BY modders, and FOR modders, will likely support expansions for new features in the future.
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Darkthunder you have summed it up so well sir. Exactly my feelings and thoughts on the matter. Couldn't have put it better

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Holy smokes! Talk about a "heated discussion".

My post here was going to be long, but pretty much everything has been said that I wanted to (or would have) said so I'll make it as short as I can.

I have been a member of this community(BCU & BCC) since early 2005 and have thanked all the modders and my lucky stars that we have been gifted, that's right, gifted, all the incredible mods that we have for this great game. Imagine what we started with in the original... compared to what we have now. I don't care if we have 20+ of each fed ship or whatever ship... I'm eternally grateful!

However, I also see and agree with a lot of what Sov was pointing out. And I'd like to stress his point that he was not bashing at all - he just wants some more variety. I think what got people riled up was perhaps his approach. It admittedly came across a bit "frank" for lack of a better word. But, I know he meant well.

I can't wait for Excalibur, but I'm sure glad we still have (and will always have) BC. The improvements to this game through the years have been extraordinary. I believe this fact alone is what inspires the creators of Excalibur to make it as damn good as they can. Because for all intents and purposes, BC has been lookin' pretty good as of late.

Finally, I totally agree with Farshot's opinion also, and Jimmy's and many others. The utmost respect should be given to our modding brothers (and sometimes sisters) and we should try to be cool and kind... period. I don't know about the rest of you but the other thing that's kept BC so fresh for me after all these years is this community itself. I love all of you out there... Trekkers all!! And, in a strange sort of "modern technology" sort of way, it has made us all friends.

And that's a good thing.  

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Oh. My. God.

I realize a lot of this has been said, but I really want to state my opinion on this thread because in the 9 years that I have been lurking and posting in this community, I have never seen anything so blatantly disrespectful to modders.

I'm truly shocked and appalled that a thread like this was started; and with all due respect to Jimmy and the rest of the staff here, allowed to continue.  While I agree it would be nice to see some more alien ships in the works, the truth is that if modders prefer to work on Federation ships, that is their right to do so.  They have no obligation to acquiesce to the desires of the community.  We are not writing them a paycheck for their work.  Hell, there is a good chunk of people who can't even be bothered to say "thank you" for all the work people like DJ, JB, Lurok, Farshot, Baz, Wiley, and so many others do for this community; and even worse, there are those that find unjustified reasons to bitch and moan about said work.  Despite those things, our modders continue to produce quality work for a game in its final days.

Sovereign001, go take a look at the work produced in games such as Armada, SFC, Elite Force, and Legacy, and then compare them to the work produced by THIS community.  I'm not saying that the work made in those games I listed is sub-par; quite the contrary, there are in-fact some great works there (especially in A2 with Fleet Ops).  But it's Bridge Commander that hosts some of the best talent of any game modding scene.  So many works by the people here have been ported to other games because the people modding for this community produce QUALITY work.  For you to bitch and moan because you're pissy about not being satisfied with the screenshots you're taking is just ludicrous, not to mention ungrateful.  Dude, you need to grow up.  BC is hitting the end of it's life, so enjoy what is left and don't be so harsh towards the talent here.

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You know, it's weird. I've visited BCC (and formerly BCU) almost every day for the last ten years of my life.  When I started I was barely out of high school.  Now I'm 30 years old, married with two kids.  I have a house, a career and university degree.  I've worked as a speaker, a teacher, a musician, an actor, a forklift driver, a salesman, and an oilfield grunt... All since this community established itself.  For some reason I've spent a decade of my life connected to this place, and while a lot has changed in my life, the BC community has been a relatively stable part of it.  I actually miss this "place" when I'm away from it too long.  I've actually thought about the fact that I will be sad when it finally slows and comes to a halt.

I can't speak for any one else.  I can only say that I mod because I like to build ships.  As a boy, I built dozens of star trek models, I still do, rarely.  I really enjoy 3d modeling, I actually teach it as an option to my middle school students.  Modding for BC has been a thrill. I always used to release my new ships on Sundays because that was the day the "top 25" downloads of the week list reset on BCFiles.  I loved watching my work make its way to the top; what a great feeling.  Makes you feel really appreciated.   It's nice to know that people like the work you do.  I should have done some non-fed ships.  I always played safe and stayed in my comfort zone.  Sovereign001 is absolutely right with his criticism.  But, modders have to mod because they enjoy what they are doing.  That has to be recognized and respected.

Has it been about "glory", as you say, JB06?  Maybe in a strange way, yes.  It's fun to be popular.  There's been a culture built up in this community that glorifies a few, and for good reason, they do good work, even if the praise is frequently exclamatory.  I KNOW I've done some good work.  I also know that for a while I was probably the best around, but I'm not anymore, and believe it or not, I actually had to come to terms with that.  It's lame I know, but I do have a connection to this community.  Playing second fiddle to Wiley was uncomfortable at first, but now I'm just glad he's doing what he does.  Do I compete with him or Baz?  Not openly... But do I sort of miss the days when my work was at the top of the list?  Sure.  Do I want to be better?  I do.  I respect them both, and others who many of you guys underrate.

I've felt this community slowing down for the last few years, and I still think its pretty vibrant, all things considered, but Jimmy is right.  There's not too many people still modding this game, and we haven't, as a community, been all that welcome to outsiders all the time.  I don't agree with the idea that requests should be outlawed, and I don't agree with the default response of, "Use the search function," when a new member has a question.  We have not always been the easiest bunch of people to break into.

I also feel I want to address the point about my involvement in Excalibur and why I stayed modding for BC.  It's two fold, and I don't think some of you are going to like what i have to say.  First, I started working on Excalibur because LC asked me to.  He was my friend and I wanted to help.  I stopped working on Excalibur because it wasn't fun.  It's that simple.  But to me, BC was, and is, more valuable than Excalibur.  You know what they say about a bird in the hand being worth two in the bush, right?  BC is something we actually have.  We can center our community on it.  Excalibur is a promise.  It's intangible, and I don't think it will ever find its way to completion.  Don't get me wrong, I absolutely don't question the talent of the people working on it, I know them.  I know they know what they're doing.  I also don't question Mark and LJ's determination.  But I also know a thing or two about what drives the project and mods in general.  It's the drive to achieve perfection, so the development will never stop, because without a huge team, it will fall behind.  I also know that organizing modders is like herding cats, damn near impossible.  The term "mod team" has more often than not meant "unfulfilled expectations".  It's never a problem with the people, it's a problem with the system.  Sometimes it works, and when it does, the results can be spectacular, but usually it falls victim to the reality that modding successfully often requires a singular focus and drive.  In my career, I'm a team player, because it's about people.  In my modding, I always work alone.  I hope I'm wrong about Excalibur, but I don't think I am.  This community is a bird in the hand.

10 years is a long time for people.  I think about time a lot.  Our lives are pretty short when you really think about, and I've spent a lot of time here.  I don't regret it.  It's been fun.  But maybe it's time to move on, I mean for all of us.  Maybe grasping at the last few threads is not the best.  Maybe it's best to remember something that was good when it went away, instead of something that had become hollowed out and threadbare.  There is something to be said for a graceful exit.  I might be wrong.

Jimmy, you've done a great job man.  You are one cool motherfucker.

Wiley, you're a kick ass modder, the best.  But clean those meshes up a little, eh.  I do look at them you know.

Baz, you're like the energizer bunny.  It's great.

Farshot, you're the next big thing.  If anyone is still around in a year, you're going to be the main man.

Darkthunder.  Max 3.1.  You made it happen all those years ago.  Thanks bro.

Moed, comments are the lifeblood of the modding forum, and you're the best.

Mark, Viper, I wish you guys still hung around here more.

LC, you were my mentor.  Sorry I bailed on you.  I should have been straight about it.  I avoided you.

Adonis, you are the only know it all I know that actually knows it all.  Thanks for all the help over the years.

Nebula, you wore out my keyboard nitpicking my Galaxy over MSN.  I am grateful for that and everything else.

RCGothic, I don't know if you ever check in, but I'm sorry I called you a pompous dick like six or seven years ago.  You gave me a warning, remember?  Something about Oxford as I recall.

Mleo, I can't believe how many questions you've answered over the years.  You've been a backbone of this community.

Shadownight, Aces_High, Captain obvious, thanks for all the feedback over the years.  You helped me be better.

MarkyD, I am jealous of your abs.

JB06, sorry.  I was too possessive back then.  Too controlling.  My pride was hurt because I couldn't do what you were doing.  If ever you still want to release it, go ahead, but I understand if you don't.  Make sure the DQP gets released.

Killallewoks, Tally, et al, thanks for all the wicked screenies, especially lately.  You guys rock.

Gmunoz, you deserve a medal for your TOS work.

Rifleman, thanks for using so many of my ships in your great videos.

Cordanilus, you are the most innovative modder I ever knew.

And my Buddhist buddy from Texas.  You never visit any more.  I hope things are going better.  Still miss you, bro.

I missed lots of people.  It's been a long time.

All good things, right fellas?

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Wow DJ.  Glad to see my name recognized.  I've enjoyed every ship you've put out, as well as the ones that you were working on that for one reason or another got pushed to the backburner.  I never questioned that because I fully realize that you have life commitments outside of this community and those must take priority.  I always look forward to clicking on a WIP thread of your's when it pops to the top of the BC Modding section because I know what I'll see is awesome. :salute3:

Here's my two bits.  DJ, Jimmy, Neb, they can back me up on this.  I've been around these people for quite a long time, way back in BCU.  I've seen the highs and lows of BC modding.  And I was quite sad when several people vanished with projects unfinished, ie. Queball had a really nice ship in the works that never saw the light of day, and when modders started abandoning BC to work on Excalibur.  I'll be honest.  I appreciate that some of you think Excalibur is going to be the shit.  I hope you're right, that DJ is wrong that it'll eventually collapse.  But for now, I have BC.  And I am really grateful to DJ, Wiley, Baz, Bones, Farshot, etc. etc. for keeping the old boat flying.  I used to also be a part of a modding scene for Jedi Academy, mostly through the Filefront forums.  Heck, I even released a retexture for a character!  I go to the Filefront site for that game, and I rarely see anything other than crappy clan maps.  Jedi Academy, a game with a decent engine that is relatively easy to mod and is one year younger than BC, has no modding scene anymore.  Over here, at BCC, we have tons of ships, bridges, and thanks to Moed and Killallewoks, awesome backgrounds just being churned out.  Often.  I'm grateful for that.  Any time I boot up BC, I have something very pretty to look at and blow up, if the mood strikes.  Bridge Commander has been around for 10 years.  The modding community has seen the highs and lows of the franchise in many ways, including gaming.  And because of your dedication, Bridge Commander continues to stand above all other Trek games.  Thanks to people like you DJ, Wiley, Baz, and more.  You know what I say?  Keep her flyin', and I'll keep downloading, be they Feddies, Rommies, Klings, or Spoonheads.

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I don't know really what to say, generally i'm a man of few words straight to the point. Moed can agree with me on this one , he would write a fairly hefty e-mail and then I would reply with three or four sentences tops. When I first joined BCC a couple of years ago it was pretty quiet, not much was happening but after a few months things seemed to picked up. Baz and Wiley were doing thier thing, DJ wasis pumping some great orginal ships, Phoeinex was and still is getting that origins pack right and looking good I may say. JB and Co for FOUR years have worked on possibly BC's last large Huurah in terms of BC modding and scale. Farshot and Bones make a great team and I look foreward to more of thier work. Lurock makes awesome bridges, and has built upon 3rd era's success and created the best bridge innovations BC has ever seen. Yes thiers more more and I can see this going for a bit longer , I don't like to say how long but come on now everyone this is one the most friendly communites out on the internet, all ways willing to help though search for it is a bit blunt a link all ways helps. A shout out to Saquist and Tally too, without them I would not be the screenshot guy I am now.  

I just make screenshots, BC was a big part for me in getting a new computer. I will continue to make screenshots, you are all good people and I'd like to some of you guys one day. Maybe in London I might and well that would be the iceing on the cake. Now modders, keep on doing what you want or what you don't want to do for that matter. We shouldn't judge what work they do just on the quality , some friendly competition is all ways going to happen and may it continue. As it is a driving force behind some people and encourages some great work.    

Crap, i've gone soft. Anyone know how to do Drill?  

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Nero summed it up really well, besides there are more non-fed mods in production, my/Killallewoks Mass Effect pack, Loonatics ST Invasion pack, DQP, many many more ships non-fed / non-ST mods are WIP so I don't really understand why so much moaning... no hatered here Sov, didn't want to hurt ya feelings mate but this thread shouldn't have been sarted at all ... it's all for free, no price charged, it's all being done for fun only so (not speaking to you Sov directly - it is a broad message to general public) show some appreciation, you don't have to like every single mod, you don't even have to kiss our bottoms.

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While we're all getting soft, Mr. Ewoks, I feel I need to step off the soapbox and speak from the recliner for a bit.

When I went to the screenshot thread a bit back, the first thing I saw was someone saying something like "I want to see more alien ships too".  At the time, I had no idea who precipitated this discussion, but I was already getting on the defensive.  Jimmy's original post also fueled that.  Hope he doesn't kill me for this, but when Jimmy wants to bitch, he bitches, and I agreed with him. :P

Some may say I don't have much reason to be defensive, considering I've only released three ships, two of them with Bones' help.  Granted that, there's also a side of me that shows up only occasionally here.  I probably have hundreds of Federation ships of all eras and styles around my house.  I can't really think of any alien designs I've sketched.  If I had the time, which I don't, to model all of those sketches, I would.  Then there would really be too many Federation ships.  (haha)  It's not that I don't like non-Fed ships - the B'rel is easily in my top five favorite ship designs - but that I like Federation ships too damn much.  Maybe I just want to be a Starfleet captain so bad, all I can think of is how my ship would look.

I'm fairly new to the BC scene, having been around only in the past few years, but I've learned a lot about the giants of BC and how most of them have faded away over time.  DJ is arguably the last around.  When we have so little of the community left, I hate to see threads like this.  I am sorry for my part in being somewhat hostile, but I still agree with everything I said.

With my previous comment about the B'rel, I feel somewhat ashamed.  I did have that Proto-D'deridex sketch, and I do want to model it.  Klingon ships shouldn't be much of a problem for me either.  The Vendetta was partly inspired by Klingon design.  I'll try to do my part to put more adversarial vessels out.  No promises, but I'll try.

To DJ:  My respect for you has quintupled, man.  Usually we community members don't talk enough around here.  Lately to me you've seemed distant.  We only get updates from you every few months before you vanish away again.  It's actually worried me because you and Wiley are my greatest inspirations.  Thanks for the shout-out as well - I sincerely hope to live up to expectations.  I can't tell you how exciting it feels to have my work positively critiqued by you two, especially since Wiley invited me onto the Invasions mod.

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Darkthunder.  Max 3.1.  You made it happen all those years ago.  Thanks bro.

Whoa. You can't imagine how much it means to me, to see my name listed above among some of the "truly greats" that BC has had over the years. I may have been primarily a lurker, but I enjoy helping out whenever/wherever possible, and i'm not afraid to state my opinions or suggestions for improvements (as i'm sure many are aware). I'm happy that my assistance "many years ago", helped you out in any way. I think I can safely say, "I'm not worthy" to be on your list of "respected community members", but it's fun to be recognized. Cheers, mate :)

I don't think there is much to add to the topic, than has already been said. I don't think Sovereign001 meant his post as being "offensive" or "disrespectful". I understand his position, and to a certain degree, even agree with it. I do not agree with Nero in stating "I have never seen anything so blatantly disrespectful to modders.". I don't know man, but after 10 years of being a part of the BC community, i've seen ALOT of "blatantly disrespectful" stuff happen towards modders, and this thread is insignificant by comparison.
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