Author Topic: Kophjaeger WIP: K'tinga Class! (Read 56908 times)

Saquist · « **Reply #120 on:** February 23, 2014, 11:05:17 AM »

Really?
Taller than mount Everest?

Lord Tribble · « **Reply #121 on:** February 23, 2014, 12:18:03 PM »

That's the final number yes (It seems to have fluctuated a bit in development much like the Enterprise).

Here's another chart from the bluray; http://i.imgur.com/Eg4mPdpl.jpg
There's a whole section in the special features talking about how huge it is and that they built it 1:1 in the computer.

I feel sorry for the poor guys who had to build and texture that thing.

hobbs · « **Reply #122 on:** February 23, 2014, 06:04:19 PM »

hope this isn't hijacking the post but....
....
can you guys explain WHY the narada looks like it does... it doesn't seem to be a good design for mining ship.

Kophjaeger · « **Reply #123 on:** February 23, 2014, 06:23:30 PM »

Good catch on the spherical drive section. Thanks.

On a literal level, they wanted a design that was the scariest thing they could come up with in space. I hate the Borg explanation, nut it actually makes the most sense. Caeliar tech maybe?

Lord Tribble · « **Reply #124 on:** February 23, 2014, 06:23:52 PM »

Quote from: hobbs on February 23, 2014, 06:04:19 PM

hope this isn't hijacking the post but....
....
can you guys explain WHY the narada looks like it does... it doesn't seem to be a good design for mining ship.

I like to think it's either of the following;

1) As shown in the countdown comic (and mentioned in the bluray interactive inspection), Romulan/ Borg hybrid tech 'grew' it into that form from the more conventional looking ship.

2) If you don't count the comic, maybe it was for chopping up and eating rocks unicron style!

hobbs · « **Reply #125 on:** February 23, 2014, 06:35:07 PM »

Quote from: Lord Tribble on February 23, 2014, 06:23:52 PM

I like to think it's either of the following;

~~1) As shown in the countdown comic (and mentioned in the bluray interactive inspection), Romulan/ Borg hybrid tech 'grew' it into that form from the more conventional looking ship.~~

2) If you don't count the comic, maybe it was for chopping up and eating rocks unicron style!

oooh good thought... im going with that theory from now on

(G1 ROCKS)

Saquist · « **Reply #126 on:** February 23, 2014, 07:10:01 PM »

Quote from: Kophjaeger on February 23, 2014, 06:23:30 PM

Good catch on the spherical drive section. Thanks.

On a literal level, they wanted a design that was the scariest thing they could come up with in space. I hate the Borg explanation, nut it actually makes the most sense. Caeliar tech maybe?

It looks nothing like Borg. Not even close.
The Borg are orderly and simple, it's totally the opposite.

FarShot · « **Reply #127 on:** February 23, 2014, 08:17:23 PM »

The funny part about that is their ships are simple geometric shapes.... made out of the most greebly model bits I've seen in my life. Simple? Only on the most basic of levels.

Saquist · « **Reply #128 on:** February 23, 2014, 09:05:33 PM »

Simplicity of shape, complexity of design.

Kophjaeger · « **Reply #129 on:** February 24, 2014, 01:28:50 AM »

I think the modelling team was directed to make as many organic parts fit together as possible. There is a definite flower feel to it, it has a couple nether parts, a few holly leaves, tentacles, hip bones, spinal cords....

I know it's way off the canon into speculation, but since the Borg were Caeliar based, and we never got a V'ger explanation, I'd like to think the discovery of the Caeliar may have given the techies a few more options. It does have an organic feel, like the ship grew itself how it wanted to. And V'ger met the "Borg" but what if these were a more benign Caeliar offshoot? They are similar, but not the same enough...

Lord Tribble · « **Reply #130 on:** February 24, 2014, 03:29:57 AM »

Borg + Insane Romulans remember. What would Borg tech do if it didn't have the hive mind guiding it into uniform shape? Plus we have seen a number examples of irregular and spiky objects from the Borg;
The oddly shaped ship in descent(http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070318012202/memoryalpha/en/images/8/82/Borg_Type_03.jpg),
the spiky transformation of the Arctic transport (http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20051123111510/memoryalpha/en/images/d/d0/Arctic_One_at_warp.jpg , http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080828220037/memoryalpha/en/images/e/ec/Arctic_One_final_moments.jpg),
the thing that pops out of Picards cheek in his nightmare. Hell, drones themselves are covered in random piping going in and out of their body.

In the real world, they wanted to give the impression that the ship was sort of a mechanical 'organism' and were inspired by the skeletal organic architecture of Gaudi.

Raven Night · « **Reply #131 on:** February 24, 2014, 05:06:01 PM »

Borg ships are not built.....they grow. Like a beehive they start out looking irregular but eventually reach a geometric shape. Think of it like the growth of a crystal.

Saquist · « **Reply #132 on:** February 24, 2014, 11:10:52 PM »

Well...

That really depends on which version of the Borg you believe in.
The original Borg were a Hive mind, group consciousness, or a Collective mind.

Berman took Hive and transmogrified the concept to mean they had a queen which controlled all. They used nanites and gave them zombie vampire-like qualities. (Thanks First Contact)

Under the Berman's concept, Yes, I can see nanoprobes being used to "grow" ships.
Under the first concept even with the use of nanites I can't see it and nanites would explain the hull regeneration in the first episode.
Realistically if their ships were grown they would be nearly seamless, smooth and fluid..like bioships. Nanoprobes would combine into complex structures to the naked eye no discernible difference from one part to another especially because of their decentralized motif.

A Borg Cube though always looks improvised.
A hodgepodge of technology from different races and culture slapped together and conformed to meet their standards.

Darkthunder · « **Reply #133 on:** February 24, 2014, 11:21:38 PM »

I do believe this discussion is going far offtopic. Please try and contain it to within the discussion of the mod project itself, not the philosophies of "Borg design" or development of the Borg

Kophjaeger · « **Reply #134 on:** March 01, 2014, 07:34:59 AM »

After a brief hiatus, I am back at it. She is now under 22k triangles. The segmented stuff really ate them up. Just need to add some kibble to the drive section, and then extrude cabling.

Maverick · « **Reply #135 on:** March 01, 2014, 01:40:20 PM »

She's looking good I am really liking what I see, Could you possibly when you release this for bc make two verisions one the regular color and a variant with that metalic finish like in your pics? that would be sweet.

Kophjaeger · « **Reply #136 on:** March 02, 2014, 11:26:39 AM »

Well, not to hijack my own thread again... but I have considered doing a "mirror universe" version. If we take the look of this ship to be Borg, then I'd think the mirror universe version to be like the saintly version of Noah's Ark.

Saquist · « **Reply #137 on:** March 02, 2014, 12:17:11 PM »

I just realized...Mining Vessel...of course, he was thinking Red Dwarf.

Kophjaeger · « **Reply #138 on:** March 05, 2014, 04:49:35 AM »

I am just about there with the mesh, and sitting at a healthy 24-25k, so I room to grow if need be. I wanted to get the feel from the community if there is anything glaringly low poly, or missing that should be there. After staring at this model for two weeks, I am a little numb to the details, but I am to the point where I can begin skins.

Bones · « **Reply #139 on:** March 05, 2014, 06:13:29 AM »

It looks absolutely great

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