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BC Forums => BC Modding => Topic started by: MarkyD on June 02, 2008, 01:56:45 PM
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I had no intention of postin this until the mesh was complete but, i need input on the placement of the impulse engines, as their is an obvious placement but their is a sexy one too.. what do you guys think? Textures are going to follow the same theme as the gagarin.
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not too bad, reminds me of an Ambassador Class,
But a nice clean mesh you got yourself there,
well done!
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Sorry, before i posted i should have said that its based on this design, the main thing i have changed is the secondary and new necelles, but i did not design this, just building it ;)
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to be honest, i prefer your recreation,
The Nacelle pylons on yours look MUCH better :D
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Right angles just don't look right on ships! Graceful curves :D! Awesome work so far. It's a sort of proto-proto-Nebula :lol:
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I really like this ship. This ship will fit great with the Wolf 359 ships as well as the "Lost Era."
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Thanks for all your comments, Its nice to think this ship can fill a nieche, but after i built the gagrin it felt right to build this as a complete ship next, but im still curious about ur opinions on the location of the impulse engines?
:D thanks
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indeed - your model is ten thousand times better than that design...
i am curious, tho - what is that large section at the top of the model meant for? sensors?
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indeed it seems to be a precursor to the nebula class sensor variant. this design fits the role nicely, keep up the good work
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Got something for you:
click! (http://legacy.filefront.com/screenshots/File/84752/6)
8)
No seriously, I like your design, but you should stay with the real deflector. This one's ugly. :?
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eh I like the deflector hes got now better.
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Thanks for the link Yopyop.. but im gonna stay true with my vision but i do appreciate your perspective, i have only modified the ship slightly modeling wise, the texturing will really sell it, and put it in a place of its own... as in it will look unique, but still no suggestions as to the impulse engines :?
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hmm either 2 on the pylons or nebula like ones on the saucer
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Yeah, im happy with that, im going to add secondary impulse engines to the saucer, primaries will be on the pylons. forward torps are my current issue, as the neck is too short.
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hmm could add two small tubes under the deflector dish or 1 on either side of it... ala excelsior.
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What about having the torp in the sensor pod. Or underneath the saucer section above the sensor dome?
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Oh by the way this looks awesome, the apollo class has always been a favorate of mine, its one of them classes that has had a few conjectural designs (the phase 2 enterprise study model was thought to be an apollo class at one point) but this has always stood out as being the better one, and this model is a huge improvement for the one we already have at filefront. Heres a cookie for u mate :)
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Looking good so far :)
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Looking awesome!
Great work so far.
Seems like a definite precursor to the Nebula.
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either under the deflector or above the sensor dome on the saucer i would say
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Deflector Dish is a bit too small, IMO
maybe make it just a little larger?
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Everything I was gonna suggest... well, save for one thing... has already been said. Thus, my only suggestion... perhaps, now this is just a tiny nit pick, you could smooth out the shuttle bay area? I just noticed that it seems a bit jagged. Otherwise, as Lint said, it's a very clean mesh. Well done. There's a cookie coming your way, dude, so keep up the good work. :]
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Added impulse engines to the saucer and secondaries to the necelle struts and also rear torps above the shuttle bay.
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Looking sweet Marky though i cant seem to make out the impulse engines on the sec hull. Im digging the torpedo launchers. One more thing Docking Ports
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i am curious, tho - what is that large section at the top of the model meant for? sensors?
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If I'm not mistaken, it can be a large sensor pod or used to fire torpedoes, given the ship's mission profile.
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she shaping up very nicely :D
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Constitution-Miranda
Connie Refit-Miranda Refit
Excelsior-Centaur
Ambassador-Apollo
Galaxy-Nebula
Sovereign-Kelvin
:)
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Dude, now that i saw thses perspectives, I really think you should thicken the nacelle struts to atleast a whole deck's height, like this they really look flimsy.
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hmm could add two small tubes under the deflector dish or 1 on either side of it... ala excelsior.
seconded. tubes on the pylons just doesnt sound practical given their small size and what would be required for transporting and loading the torpedos
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i am curious, tho - what is that large section at the top of the model meant for? sensors?
yeah sensors i think, i will adjust the pylons and add some docking ports, thanks guys.
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What about a weapons pod varient as well?
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What about a weapons pod varient as well?
I'd vote against that. If this were to be in the same era as the Ambassador Class (judging by the design it most likely is), the Federation wasnt really in a time of war, so there was no real need to have an exploration ship to have a vast amount of weaponry (such as the Nebula Class - weapons pod variant). I'd stick with simply the sensor pod version as it greatly enhances the idea of being a ship of exploration, rather than a ship of war.
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I agree, the "lost era" was all about peace and exploration, I think.
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And besides,
Don't we have enough ships that are armed to the teeth already?
Its nice to see a nice "simple" ship,
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I, too, am against the idea of a weapons' pod.
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OK so no weapons pod :)
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USS Warspite (http://bridgecommander.filefront.com/file/Warspite;18780) is an Apollo-class with the Nebula Weapons pod, but I've seen renders of this type with a different weapons pod...
I really like this project, only thing is the deflector, it needs to be Ambassador-sized.
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Thanks guys, i agree with the secondary impulse engines and they have already been removed, the mesh is now 100%, spent the last few days, finishing it off, smoohings groups etc, modified certain areas, such as the front tubes, enlarging the deflector, adding the bridge and making the pylons thicker, i will map her out over the next few days.
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Think you could add 3 additional phasers:
1 underneath the stardrive (belly phaser)
1 on each pylon facing port/starboard, similar to Ambassador/Galaxy.
The ship is severely lacking phaser coverage atm. Other than that it looks excellent.
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Very nice ( and clean ) design
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Think you could add 3 additional phasers:
1 underneath the stardrive (belly phaser)
1 on each pylon facing port/starboard, similar to Ambassador/Galaxy.
The ship is severely lacking phaser coverage atm. Other than that it looks excellent.
well shes not a combat ship, although i do agree on the ventral engineering phaser as its just one of those trademark features of federation ships.
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well shes not a combat ship, although i do agree on the ventral engineering phaser as its just one of those trademark features of federation ships.
I'm not saying she is a combat ship. I'm just saying that the phaser suggestions are what is generally standard on most ships of this type (Ambassador, Nebula, Galaxy). Besides, it's not necessarily the amount of phasers that determines its function. Hardpointing can be done to have weaker phasers than that of for example the Ambassador.
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Thanks fellas, i will take a look at your phaser suggestions, it is lacking.. however im not going to over do it, as it is a science / research type of ship..
I have begun with the textures, im creating bump and spec maps so it can be used with, they will be zipped up in the same folder in the final dl, along with versions for sfc II , III and BC and possibly legacy.
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Mmm, bump maps. :D Hope to see this ship in excal one day. Cookie.
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that's a nice piece of work you've done, there.
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Wow, you are doing exceptional work on the Apollo Class. Very Nice. :D
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I think "Deck 2" is lacking a few windows, and the registry may be a bit high. Removing either of the "1"'s to the left or right would make it more suitable for the timeperiod it's set in. Deck 1 may need a few windows added as well. Textures otherwise look great, as does the ship itself.
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I dont think deck 1 and 2 r textured yet DT and the reg looks ok there, nice work mate, loving it
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and the reg looks ok there
I think Dark is refering to the actual number. 119191 seems a little high for this ship. For a ship that is likely pre-TNG, a registry around the 20000 - 30000 region makes more sense to me.
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I think Dark is refering to the actual number. 119191 seems a little high for this ship. For a ship that is likely pre-TNG, a registry around the 20000 - 30000 region makes more sense to me.
You are indeed correct. A registry like: NCC-19191 sounds far more sensible for the era, whereas NCC-119191 would be more suited for a ship in the early to mid 25th century (post-Nemesis).
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Thanks fellas, i will take a look at your phaser suggestions, it is lacking.. however im not going to over do it, as it is a science / research type of ship..
I have begun with the textures, im creating bump and spec maps so it can be used with, they will be zipped up in the same folder in the final dl, along with versions for sfc II , III and BC and possibly legacy.
Great model and textures! If you need help with the Legacy port feel free to contact me!
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Whoa, boy, nice work. :]
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Very nice indeed markyd, I've always been a fan of the Apollo Class. I agree with Darkthunder though, the registry needs to lose a digit!!. :wink:
Great work though!! 8)
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Very nice!
Will you be doing the alternative version with the pod from nebula class ? :)
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I you are talking about the weapons pod.
OK so no weapons pod :)
It pays to read the whole thread before posting.
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I you are talking about the weapons pod.
OK so no weapons pod :)
It pays to read the whole thread before posting.
yeah, actually i do read entire posts, that was my way of saying their will not be one
thanks for all your input guys and your suggestions, been real busy lately but im gonna do some more on this 2nite and will post the wips a little later .. ty :)
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I'm pretty sure Kirk was talking to starship then and quoting your post as proof that he needs to read the whole thread.
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My error, i apologise kirk..
thanks limey.
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No problem :D!
Looks awesome by they way!
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@ Limey, thanks :)
Update: bumps reduced, (thanks for the tip) registry reduced for cannon reasons. ;) and hue of textures changed.
big images so you can see everything and pick up what needs to be fixed.
decks 1&2 not textured yet, so i have provided a top vew to show this.
QUESTION, saucer rim on all images is only one deck high... one row of windows? I think it would better suit 2 rows.. what do you guys think on this.
Thanks fellas
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Gorgeous!
And I'd go for two rows of windows.
Would fit the size of the windows better. ^^
Cookie for you.
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two rows, definitely. Nice piece of work. Where did you come from? lol
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I would say two rows, i've just been looking at pictures of the Ambassador class and it has only one row at the top of the rim however the rim looks two decks high when you look at the size of the windows.
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Only thing I currently can suggest is adjusting the registry, so it fits more symmetrically on the saucer. In the perspective view, you can see that the NCC part is outside the hull lines, whereas the 11919 fits nicely.
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good call DT.
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Also a different font choice for the registry would be good also. Microgramma is good for the name, but the regular NCC registry should be more TNG-ish.
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just type Star Trek Fonts into Google and you'll be able to download a font pack.
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http://star-trek-fonts.fanspace.com/
They have pretty much every Trek Font on the net
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Perhaps, given the apparent design time period, this ship should have a registry similar to either "early TNG" or late TMP. The registry style seen on DS9/Voy should not be used as that is considered "late TNG".
I have attached pics of the shuttlecraft "type 7" in both it's early TNG and late TNG appearances.
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I think an ambassador style registry would be better:
(http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Aurora/3491/ambassador_top.jpg)
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This ship... is so... darn... cool... :arms:
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how does it come that I didn't notice this ????
THIS. IS. COOLNESS!!! 8)
alright, on the important matter:
if the rim is supposed to be one deck high, then I think the rest of the windows is out of scale. try lengthening them. the width is ok, I think....
if not, go for two rows of windows.
then, if that's the case, also the bridge would be too big. check that too.
outside that, it looks gorgeous!!! the cousin and long-lost relative of the nebula, sweet!
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if the rim is only one deck high, then this ship would be darn miniscule...
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Looking good. Now this is definitely a deep space science vessel worthy of the Federation. Not like that wimpy Oberth Class. :lol: