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BC Forums => BC Modding => Topic started by: Meteorafallen on August 23, 2010, 05:02:13 PM
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Where there's one resurrection..there's two..
Back when I released the Archangel I had planned to release another ship along with It, and that ship was called the Gemini. I have had permission from Tooie since then to change the Gemini how I saw fit. Some of you may remember I released some shots of It back when I was working on Archangel, and to be completely honest I forgot about It lol. But now here we are 4 years later and It pops into my head "Hey! I should finish the Gemini too!", so here Is the progress I have made on the Gemini so far.
I have used what I have done to the Sentinel as a base, but changed the layout so they do not look identical. There Is a new Deflector Dish created by Fallen Warrior originally for the Sentinel, but as I was so far In on development of the Sentinel I decided not to use It. He will possibly be contributing new Impulse Engines and Warp Nacelle Grilles as well, I will be doing the Bussard Collectors soon but I am currently working on the weapons pod. There has been some added detailing to the yacht as well that will transfer over to the Sentinel, The yacht of the Gemini will be named Mercury :funny
I think I will release these ships as a pack, I am not 100% on that yet but It's getting there lol.
Here's some shots of the progress so far, for a more detailed description of the project please visit MeteorCreations (http://meteorcreations.weebly.com/)
-MeteoraFallen
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I couldn't upload all the pictures at once lol here's the rest.
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:drool: + cookie
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Why do the secondary hull and the rest of the ship appear to be different brightnesses? Apart from that, looks wonderful. :)
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I'm allready a fan of this ship. :thumbsup: The design of the weapons-pod is great.
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The lighting Is what Is causing that color difference, this ship didn't come with complete speculars unfortunately so the lighting rig that I am using Is making the hull appear to be brighter than It Is.
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nice job always been a fan of the design!
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OMG IM DEINATLY DOWNLOADING THIS BABY!!!
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As long as the bussards all have textures like they're supposed to, i'm definitely onboard.
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Sort of reminds me of where I was going with the Nemesis-class, except the secondary hull wasn't split, and where you have the nacelles is where I put Pulse phasers, ala like a Klingon ship, and the nacelle were up top.
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great job more pic please
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If I could make a suggestion please....The torpedo launchers on the bridge area look as though they wouldn't clear the sensor pod...could you post screenies of the side view??
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They do clear the weapons pod, with a descent amount of room.
On the updates side, most of the hull textures are done and I'm waiting on Fallen Warrior to do the Nacelles and such, but for the moment I have came up with my own set of textures of them to test them out.
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Very nice ship , but can you add some splitting torpedoes .
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That big ol thing on the back and you can only have two openings for torpedo launchers?
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and the torpedoes can be modded to split in front of the ship , it would be very cool ,but it needs a different color
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hmm.. aren't those pylons cutting into the main phaser arrays on the top in front and aftside of the saucer? Also, thosse stretches in the textures look nasty.. i still love this ship though, but those are the only things i can be picky about :D
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I don't know If I have said this yet I did not build this model lol, so all of these mesh errors that you guys are picking out I already know about and since I do not know how to model there's nothing I can do about them, sorry.
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I see. In that case, I will just have to live with them. :P
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Looks great :thumbsup:
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Dude! Thats awesome!
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Thanks guys, and I'm hoping to find a copy of my fixed NIF of the Gemini In my archives. If I find It the bussard will be fixed, that's what I'm most worried about and I'm pretty sure that I will find It. It will just take me some time.
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Now, we need a higher polly version of herr too. :)
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I don't know how much higher poly that you can get with a kitbashed CG Sovereign, SNS Akria, and the Dita Von Tesse rolled Into one LOL
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While I'm waiting for certain things I have decided to do something a little more internal lol
Gemini MSD!
Thinking of even doing a bridge to put this bad boy In, Maybe FC Excelsior bridge? We'll see :D
Update 5:02 AM:
Well I sure did this a way lot faster than last time, this Is the current position of the MSD.
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Good progress on the MSD :thumbsup:
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nice MSD :D
Thinking of even doing a bridge to put this bad boy In, Maybe FC Excelsior bridge?
im thinking a retext of the Sovereign Bridge... either a retext of 3rd Era's Sov bridge, or a retext of the original stock sov bridge (larger viewscreen)...
reason im thinking that is because the saucer is a Sovereign-style saucer; to me, a Sovereign-style bridge would seem logical... :)
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I was thinking that too, but ships with similar hulls don't always have the same bridge. Consider the Nebula, same hull different bridge. I'm still not sure what bridge will be used right now, but I will keep everyone apprised.
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like Jimmy said nice MSD!
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I should be hearing something from Fallen Warrior tomorrow, In the mean time the MSD Is complete.
There are 3 easter eggs hidden In this one, to those first who can find and say what they are will receive a cookie! 1 is easy, the other two are hard to find but I will give you a hint: They are American spacecraft from history.
For a more complete description of the MSD, and detailed progress on the Gemini please confer to MeteorCreations projects and blog pages, link's in the signature :D
Update: Thanks to Darkthorne the mapping issues are being taken care, of as well as the phasers so the overall quality of the catamarans will be greatly improved.
There Is also an update to the pack, a second version of the Gemini will be released with modified JLS textures, more news on that soon.
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its a shame allot of the MSD is blured or streched, you should try making it in adobe illustrator :O
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The only thing I had to stretch unfortunately Is the LCARS frame, the rest of It Is not stretched.
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haha I think I found all 3! A car and two capsules from what looks like before Apollo. (Gemini capsule and Mercury capsule)
Great detail on that MSD :D
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Aw! You're no fun neb! Because of that you're only getting one cookie :P
And the capsules are Mercury and Gemini.
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In the mean time the MSD Is complete.
nice! :thumbsup:
have you decided on which bridge to retexture for it yet?
Update: Thanks to Darkthorne the mapping issues are being taken care, of as well as the phasers so the overall quality of the catamarans will be greatly improved.
There Is also an update to the pack, a second version of the Gemini will be released with modified JLS textures, more news on that soon.
excellent news! :D
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have you decided on which bridge to retexture for it yet?
Yeah I think that the FC Excelsior bridge will still be used, It see the most worthy candidate. The Prometheus bridge was also brought up for consideration, but In my opinion there's just way too much unused space on that bridge. With the open room on that bridge you could put a small hot tub or a pool table lol, It will just take a few modifications to the FC Excel bridge and of course the MSD :D
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I still say it's a DeLorean. MUAHAHAHAHA!!!!! :P :P
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its a shame allot of the MSD is blured or streched
I have to agree with him. The warp nacelles look particularly blurred. That and the jagged edges of the main ship outline. It's not that it looks bad, it just doesn't look sharp.
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Yeah I think that the FC Excelsior bridge will still be used
aww drat... i was hoping youd go for a Sovvy bridge... so very little of those retextures (3rd era's bridge anyway) and a number of fc excelsiors currently...
ah well, cant have enough bridge retextures; even if alot of them are the same couple of bridges :P
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Hmm, well I did get permission from Mark to retexture the Sovereign bridge after all... hmmm We'll see ;)
I am working to increase the sharpness of the Nacelle In the MSD, I am also re-doing the outer hull line, It should be a lot more clear and sharp this time around.
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Not to be picky but the elevator shaft sort of below and behind the bridge is missing an elevator.
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Alrighty I cleaned up the outer hull some, sharpened some things, added some text, redid the lettering on the LCARS, fixed the turbolift, and cured ensign Kim's up..set tummy!
Much better now :D
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Hmm, well I did get permission from Mark to retexture the Sovereign bridge after all... hmmm We'll see ;)
dammit dont make me have to do one on my own for my install *grumble grumble* :P
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Small update:
Most of the mapping issues have been fixed to the best of Darkthorne's abilities, all thats left Is the for the phaser strips to be fixed which will be soon I have been told.
These snapshots are taken from MPE as I do not yet have a Max version of the fixed model.
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all thats left Is the for the phaser strips to be fixed which will be soon I have been told.
Phaser Strip issues aside, you still have several texture issues to work out. Issues which make it blatently obvious that it's kitbashed from other models:
1. Windows clipping into the catamarans near the aft saucer phasers
2. Dark "patches" around the bridge area clipping into the catamarans
These are the more obvious examples. I'm sure there are more. The idea of this ship is quite sound (reminiscent of a Sovvy-fied Akira Class refit). But I think it can be done with a bit more texture work to make it less obvious that it was a kitbash. Doesn't hurt to delay a release, in order to work on making things look better imho.
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1. Fixed
2. On It's way LOL ;)
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it's a bit to much white it hurts my eyes but good job :thumbsup:
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it's a bit to much white it hurts my eyes but good job :thumbsup:
That's because the shots were taken in MPE. It makes for horrible screenshots. In-game it will be a bit darker.
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Update time:
The ships are currently awaiting modeling and final finish.
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and youve decided to retexture the Sovereign Bridge for it? thats great news! :D
hehe j/k :P
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Actually I haven't started on a bridge yet. lol
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You do great work. Can you do textures from scratch? And would you take requests about MSD's? :thumbsup:
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Small preview of what's to come, I guess you will see updates of this In another area of the forums XD
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very nice! :)
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I thought I would post an update before I went to bed, I have got BC up and running on my laptop and have loaded up KM and the Gemini. I do apologize for the 1024x768 resolution but I do not have the KM beta Installed just 1.0, so I'm stuck with this sucky resolution for now. I have my graphics turned all the way up and I am getting 30fps though so that's a plus XD, but anyway here's the In game screen shots.
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Nice work.. looks great :thumbsup:
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It looks fantastic! Heck, I'd have just been happy if it had been released with corrected bussard collectors, but you went beyond that and made this a unique craft to fly and/or blow up. :D
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Only the phasers need to be fixed and the model will be done. Darkthorne had a monitor failure and he gets his new one next week so It will have to wait until then.
Now on to the hardpoint, as I intend to make this KM friendly so I will be using the Sovereign from KM as a reference for the Gemini. The original Gemini HP had a descent amount of problems such as missing sounds, overpowered torpedoes, and an extremely high turning rate, this thing could turn on a dime for a ship of It's size and that's just not acceptable.
The Tri-Cobalt torpedoes have been removed due to the fact that they were WAY too powerful, I took out a KM Negh'var with one shot...seriously. Instead they have been replaced with the same rapid fire Quantums that are on board the Sovereign as well as the same Photons with a count of 650, this seems appropriate considering It's would fill the same role of an Akria on a larger scale. I have also adjusted the hull strength to just under a Sovereigns, It was originally set so high, that I sat there while I had 4 D'Derdrix warbirds pounding down on the hull without shields for about a good 10 minutes before I finally died.
The speed and turning rate have also been adjusted now, so It's not a 400-500 meter ship that has the turning ability of a Volkswagen Beetle anymore.
I am also wanting to include Launching Framework on this as well, It may not have a through and through Akria style hangar anymore, but It's still big enough to carry a decent amount of shuttle/fighter craft.
I will continue to work on It through the weekend, and I'll post anything new when It arises.
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more pics more views pleassse :drool:
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looks and sounds great :D
though I got a few ideas on this... so catch me on WLM!
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Working on the Gemini's support craft a little bit, It's gonna carry Type 11's and Valkyries. Although I don't know If I should used a revamped version of the one that's In the old Sentinel 3.1 pack, or Wiley's version which I am leaning toward more for the time being. But here's some In game shots of the Type 11 with modified textures to match the Gemini and a few ways, namely the engines, bussards, registry, interior, and impulse engines.
On a side note, I stumbled upon that If I just replace the stock KM Type 11 with this one by just replacing the model and textures that It will work as If nothing was changed lol
Anyways here's teh pics!
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Go with Wiley's Valkyrie. There are a few inaccuracies, but it's still the best one out there.
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I agree with Shadowknight. Go with Wiley's.
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I shall be going with Wiley's, and he will be building a new one. Not only for the pack, but to update his previous one that he has created. Using the reference material I have acquired, and I will also be acquiring the original models and CGI models from Star Trek Invasion, those should help nicely :D
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I shall be going with Wiley's, and he will be building a new one. Not only for the pack, but to update his previous one that he has created. Using the reference material I have acquired, and I will also be acquiring the original models and CGI models from Star Trek Invasion, those should help nicely :D
Wait, a new Valkyrie from Wiley? Sweet! I'm gonna guess the Mark I Valkryie since...well, the other ones kinda suck. :funny
...does this mean we might be seeing the Typhon as well? :P
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Well I am getting the Typhon along with the other models but It Is CGI quality and It would have to be scaled down for BC or rebuilt.
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I really am pumped to hear about a new Valkyrie coming out. Awesome!!! :D
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Since this pack Is getting a little too big, and being unable to come up with a descent name for It the pack It will be split Into two. A separate pack for the Gemini and Sentinel will be done, on another note the Gemini pack will include 3 variants of the same class and will be listed as follows:
Note: These configurations are subject to change and are not final.
Gemini Original (Updated):
It will feature updated CG Sovereign style textures, as well as a hardpoint comparable to the Sovereigns.
Gemini Refit:
JLS Inspired textures, reinforced hull with selectable Photons and Quantum torpedoes (half and half) , and a Quantum Slipstream Drive.
Last but not least
Gemini Heavy Tactical Refit:
It will be using the textures that you have all seen so far, It will also feature only Quantum torpedoes, ablative armor, stronger shields, more powerful phaser arrays, and will also feature a Quantum Slipstream Drive
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The second set of Gemini textures for the Gemini Refit Is underway, Darkthorne Is at the helm on this one and It's looking pretty sharp so far. Here's a couple shots.
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nice!
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I love these, the dark plating and that your adding extra details. But. There are 2 things i would look in to.The mapping on the from the akiras struts i thing need to be redone so that the lines don't go wavie, and the second it to tone down or removing some of the Aztec plating from the pylons, struts and the pod. She is starting to look like a speckled trout. Maby tone it down , or do some sections, or even move it to the spec map to show up during some lighting. you got my download, i hope you don't take offence to this. But some times to much, is to much. :thumbsup:
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bankrupt is right. it's too busy on those pylons. maybe invert the colour set.
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busy on the pylons? are you talking about the catamaran hulls? they were just darkened...
those things should be getting rebuilt/remapped in the future anyway.
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Unless someone opts to rebuild them, that's as good as the remapping's going to get. Darkthorne managed to fix the forward areas on the Catamarans, speaking of the catamarans as far as I know the color has only been changed to match the Nemesis textures. It's the same detail as the regular texture, just darker.
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Darkthorne managed to fix the forward areas on the Catamarans
well that's good to know :)
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Yeah so far the mapping on those and the Bussard has been fixed, hey would anyone possibly be able to graft some phaser strips onto the nacelle pylons?
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I think honestly while I did what I can for mapping (I will admit I am a novice at that though) things would be best served finding someone to redo the catamaran hulls entirely
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If you want i can re map that area?
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Sure that would be great! I sent you a friend request on MSN, we can talk about It on there.
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Hey everyone just thought I would let you all know that Bankrupt managed to fix the mapping Issues that we had with the catamarans, and the fixed texture for them will be coming soon. I have just been taking somewhat of a break because I have been working non stop on this for a while, and I needed some time off. But I will be starting back up soon and continuing to work on both mods.
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Alllrighty then! Update time!
After a long break I have continued working on the Gemini, I am currently In the process of rebuilding the texture map of the catamarans and the warp nacelle pylons. Progress Is slow but It's getting there, I think my biggest problem will be having to change the alpha to match the new window placement.
Also I would also like to give a very big thank you to Bankrupt Studios for their help In fixing the mapping issues.
Here Is a quick preview of the progress being made to the Catamarans.
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That's great, but I'm sure people will ask the same question...what are you going to do about those phasers that are caught in the catamarans???
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They are going to be fixed too, just don't know when lol
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good job. I've seen this done before but never this well.
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Thanks Starforce. I can't take all the credit though, there's a bunch of people behind the scenes working on this as well.
Speaking of work, rebuilding the catamaran texture has become more tedious than I originally expected. I should be able to complete work on it, but it's going to take longer than I expected.
I believe the final content of this pack will be a fine addition to anyone's install, and it will include the following:
Gemini Class
Gemini Refit
Gemini Heavy Tactical Refit
Gemini Branded Type 11 Shuttlecraft
Wiley's Valkyrie
Gemini Bridge
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New year, new update!
After discussion, I have extended the color scheme onto the weapons pod. As it gives the ship a balance that it needed.
Gonna work on the Gemini refit soon.
Pics!
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Someday I will be able to create awesome textures like those.
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Alright got this texture problem finally fixed!
Glows, and new impulse engines have been added.
Also I know the glows look a little bright on the catamarans, this has already been fixed.
Phaser fix coming soon. :D
Edit: Please forgive the choppiness of my pictures, I was running on lower settings for a different game, and I forgot to turn the graphics back up lol
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Doing final touch up on the Gemini, fixed a lot of things that bothered me, now the scheme has a nice continuous look to it, rather than being jagged in certain areas.
Current picture below.
Edit 5:46AM
Current picture updated.
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looks good. Just think the aft texture is too much lighter than the torpedo-pod.
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Gotta work on that then, thanks for the heads up.