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Re: Star Trek Discovery (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #400 on: January 09, 2019, 12:32:54 PM »
Update on the Tardigrade game case, Federal Judge asks for evidence from the game dev that Discovery team actually saw the game, also some dates set for stuff.

http://axamonitor.com/doku.php?id=tardigrades_steam


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Re: Star Trek Discovery (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #402 on: January 15, 2019, 02:13:21 PM »
Season 2 title sequence


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Re: Star Trek Discovery (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #403 on: January 15, 2019, 04:06:54 PM »
Okay, so it's the same butt-ugly intro (plus a "red angel"), with the same bad theme song...

Faith of the Heart and the ENT intro is looking better every season...
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Re: Star Trek Discovery (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #404 on: January 15, 2019, 04:27:09 PM »
Okay, so it's the same butt-ugly intro (plus a "red angel"), with the same bad theme song...

Faith of the Heart and the ENT intro is looking better every season...

It's more than that, they also removed all the Klingon imagery added a Redesigned Enterprise Command Chair and the Transporter Pad (Which also says 'Invented by Emory Erickson' next to it, nice nod to ENT)

And the theme music is still great.

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Re: Star Trek Discovery (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #405 on: January 15, 2019, 09:57:15 PM »
Visuals still suck (imho). Where's the "Space, the final frontier..." ? Keyword being, Space !
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Re: Star Trek Discovery (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #406 on: January 15, 2019, 10:21:16 PM »
Well they never say that in the opening, so.

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Re: Star Trek Discovery (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #407 on: January 15, 2019, 10:37:55 PM »
Well they never say that in the opening, so.

Kirk never said it in TOS? Picard never said it in TNG?

Yeah, must've missed that through my countless rewatch of both shows over the years. It's a sci-fi show set in SPACE, yet shows no space visuals whatsoever. It's not about the dialogue that I quoted above, and I know you understand that too, but choose to be a jackass just the same.
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Re: Star Trek Discovery (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #408 on: January 15, 2019, 11:34:23 PM »
Kirk never said it in TOS? Picard never said it in TNG?

Yeah, must've missed that through my countless rewatch of both shows over the years. It's a sci-fi show set in SPACE, yet shows no space visuals whatsoever. It's not about the dialogue that I quoted above, and I know you understand that too, but choose to be a jackass just the same.

I'm talking about Discovery not the other series. And don't call me a jackass.

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Re: Star Trek Discovery (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #409 on: January 17, 2019, 10:47:51 AM »
Lmao this Lawsuit is a train wreck

http://axamonitor.com/doku.php?id=tardigrades_third_complaint

The game developers attorneys said Star Wars instead of Star Trek.  :icon_lol:

They also pointed the finger at a writer who might have seen the game, but she didn’t join the DSC writing team until after the alledgdly copied details had already been incorporated into the story.

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Re: Star Trek Discovery (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #410 on: January 17, 2019, 07:57:10 PM »
Lmao this Lawsuit is a train wreck

http://axamonitor.com/doku.php?id=tardigrades_third_complaint

The game developers attorneys said Star Wars instead of Star Trek.  :icon_lol:

They also pointed the finger at a writer who might have seen the game, but she didn’t join the DSC writing team until after the alledgdly copied details had already been incorporated into the story.

Really? You're gonna poke holes in this case because they mistakenly said Star Wars instead of Star Trek?

I shit you not, people still think the original series Enterprise was captained by Han Solo, and Luke Skywalker was his First Officer. But that's okay right, those people aren't in an ongoing lawsuit against CBS.
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Re: Star Trek Discovery (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #411 on: January 18, 2019, 12:56:20 AM »

FYI, the short Treks are now on Netflix outside of USA/Canada

Really? You're gonna poke holes in this case because they mistakenly said Star Wars instead of Star Trek?

I shit you not, people still think the original series Enterprise was captained by Han Solo, and Luke Skywalker was his First Officer. But that's okay right, those people aren't in an ongoing lawsuit against CBS.

That’s not what I was doing, and you seemed to have ignored the rest of my post.

Anyways, Ive watched S2E1, God damn that was even better than Season 1.

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Re: Star Trek Discovery (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #412 on: January 22, 2019, 11:34:01 PM »
Season two has begun so revival time.

I liked the premier episode.  The story feels like it has more of a sci-fi element to it.  Since DS9, Trek has tended to trend darker with the Dominion War, Enterprise's Xindi arc, and Discovery's Klingon War story, so this is a nice change of pace.  The episode does everything it needs to do as far as setting up the mystery with the red bursts and red angel.  We won't get the answers at the end of the episode - welcome to 2019 serialized story telling.

The Enterprise science officer was an arrogant dick, and he really had that asteroid impact coming to him.  I enjoyed the fake out the episode pulled by killing the blue shirt instead of the red shirt.  Nice move.  It also seems that Pike will be sticking around while the Enterprise is repaired.  I'm hoping that once he's back on the Enterprise, Saru gets the captaincy on a permanent basis.  I think he's proved himself ready for the Big Chair, and Discovery just feels like it's his ship now after Lorca.  The humor was good mostly; a bit forced in some areas but I'm hopeful it'll be refined and polished throughout the season.

I'm really worried about how Section 31 will be handled though.  All the previews seem to show the characters just casually talking about it, like it's some regular branch of Starfleet Intelligence.  That isn't what it is.  I also really hope they avoid the cliché of making them mustache-twirling bad guys.  Section 31 is supposed to be an organization that is 100% off-the-books, known only to a small handful of individuals, and not necessarily the bad guys per se, but the people who do the things nobody wants to talk about to keep the Federation the peaceful utopia it is.  It's just far too easy for Hollywood writers to fuck that concept up and take the easy way out.

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Re: Star Trek Discovery (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #413 on: January 23, 2019, 12:03:10 AM »
Section 31 is supposed to be an organization that is 100% off-the-books, known only to a small handful of individuals, and not necessarily the bad guys per se, but the people who do the things nobody wants to talk about to keep the Federation the peaceful utopia it is.  It's just far too easy for Hollywood writers to fuck that concept up and take the easy way out.

My theory is that Section 31 in the DSC Era has a legit a public front as an intelligence organization, and then the super secret operations that Starfleet and the Federation doesn't know about. Discovery and Co. will expose their dirty secrets somehow and then they will go underground.

Also I believe Pike is in the entire season, I think Season 2 will end in the reverse of Season 1, with the Enterprise warping off.

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Re: Star Trek Discovery (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #414 on: January 23, 2019, 06:12:17 AM »
I wouldn't count on the 31's not being the old fashioned mustache twirling villians trope, Morgan. What's her face may give them an MI6 vibe for a while, but I'd bet they revert to type in the TMP era, which always came off as a kitbash of CIA and KGB tropes.  and don't get me started on Temporal, which will probably be instigated in Disco (which comes off as a kitbash of MIB and NSA).

still wish that CBS would have got the hint that a LOT of Trekkies literally can't watch the show because it's a premium.
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« Reply #415 on: January 23, 2019, 05:04:48 PM »
still wish that CBS would have got the hint that a LOT of Trekkies literally can't watch the show because it's a premium.

They don't care they're getting a lot more money this way.

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« Reply #416 on: January 24, 2019, 06:07:36 AM »
yeah, we know that.  they also know they're alienating all the previous gen Trekkies and trekkers with how they're doing this, including the new JJers that won't fork out for it either.  I think that's why they shifted Disco's direction and popped up with this new Picard series; to pick the previous fan generations back up.
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Re: Star Trek Discovery (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #417 on: January 24, 2019, 01:34:11 PM »
I think that's why they shifted Disco's direction

The tone shift was planned from the start.

And they're not alienating all of them.

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Re: Star Trek Discovery (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #418 on: January 24, 2019, 10:57:57 PM »
I can see where some people had problems with the show in season one - Trekkies are generally conservative about the franchise for one thing (nobody truly warmed up to TNG, DS9, Voyager, or Enterprise until their third or fourth seasons), and the story for that season was yet another war story.  We had that in DS9 with the Dominion War.  We had that in Enterprise with the Xindi arc.  Pretty much all of TV these days is going down the dark and gritty route, it just isn't what a lot of fans feel Trek needs to do right now.  My take, is that fans what the TOS and TNG-style optimism that a DS9 or Enterprise-level of serialization.  I think this season is on the path towards doing that based on last week's "Brother" and this week's "New Eden" (which was great by the way, very old school Trek vibe that Jonathon Frake's directing played a huge hand in achieving).

We also know that the Klingons will be getting their hair back, walking back on last season's changes which were just atrocious.  I don't mind seeing non-augment Klingons in the TOS-era - Enterprise's "Affliction" and "Divergence" established that while a lot of Klingons lost their ridges, the entire species didn't.  I still would personally prefer they go with the Into Darkness look which had them wearing helmets - say what you will about that movie, but that look is cool and does a fair enough job not stepping on Enterprise and TOS' toes without looking dated.  I know Discovery is rebooting the visuals and I personally am not throwing a tantrum over it as long as the show is good, but the changes to the Klingons in season one were just too much for me.  I'm glad they're walking it back.

Anson Mount is seriously blowing me away with his portrayal of Pike.  I almost want a new series focused on him and his adventures in the years leading up to handing over the Enterprise to Kirk.

I remain cautiously optimistic for this year  :D

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My theory is that Section 31 in the DSC Era has a legit a public front as an intelligence organization
I'm sorry but I have to respectfully disagree with this theory, as it goes against the backstory of the organization presented to us by Bashir in DS9 (100 years later) and Archer's understanding of Starfleet's intelligence operations in Enterprise (100 years before).  In both of those prior shows, Section 31 was only known after they either tried to recruit someone to the organization (Bashir) or tried to reactivate an agent who left (Reed).  Section 31 is something that's only known to those who have become directly involved with it in some way or another, and it isn't something officially sanctioned by the Federation (or even known to 99% of its populace).

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Re: Star Trek Discovery (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #419 on: January 26, 2019, 11:16:15 AM »
For the Americans and Canadians out there, the first episode of Season 2 is free to view, legally. Only in those countries though.

Canada:
https://www.space.ca/show/star-trek-discovery/episode/brother/1577385/


America:
https://youtu.be/8rvMqRrtmkY