TREK XI - Images, Footage, Trailers, Enterprise, Discussion, etc. Thread (WARNING: SPOILERS)

[Kirk]

Perhaps we learn why not, my friend.

[faro0485]

I'll blame all the weirdness on Emperor Nero (reference to JJ - maybe he looks like a child of Shinzon & Chakotay under that human mask).

[moed]

Holy smokes!

Man, there are lots of emotions going on here...

I have to say that I agree & disagree with bits & pieces of everyones' comments.

There are things/parts of the information so far provided by the trailers that I like and don't like.

I don't like that J.J. Abrams is deviating IMO too much from the established (and so loved) classic.

On the other hand... the trailer does look pretty darn cool. I actually like the look of the revamped Constitution class (not as much as the original, but the new one is still nice in its own way). And even though the bridge scene depicts an overt "whiteness", there just something about it (I can't  put an exact finger on it  :?) that still to me looks cool and futuristic and... treky.

There are many other points/counterpoints that I can make but overall, I'm still excited about this new movie.

[Vortex]

I do like how we are going to get to see Pike in command though.

We're used to thinking that it's Kirks Enterprise, so it seems kinda cool to have his predecessor (sp?) in charge.
Shame that they couldn't include Robert April.

[JimmyB76]

C'mon Shadow,

There is no need to get personal and tell jimmy to grow up, we can still all have a good debate without resorting to that ;).

ya seriously - please drop the attitude, man...   :roll:
youre telling me to grow up when youre getting all heated and fired up at me because i happen to think this movie and idea is stupid and sucks and cheesy and smashes anything of what was... 
seriously? 
besides, im not the only one - i 100% agree with Phaser and as well with Wolf on the previous page; should they grow up also?  jeez man, dont take our major disappointment so personally that you should stab back, as though someone was crapping all over a personal project of yours...
dont attack me personally because im not jumping up and down with joy and glee about this movie, squealing like a kid on Christmas morning, ok?  dont forget everyone is entitled to their opinion in this thread and dont attack anyone or tell them they should "grow up" just because you might disagree with them...



on that note, back ontopic shall we please?

[martyr]

who the heck is nero?

Some kind of evil burning software bent on destroying humanity. :3

One cannot judge that by a teaser trailer.

Yes they can. It's just their own opinion and if they don't wanna give something the chance then that's up to them. I've been a star trek fan my entire life and have always been devoted to trek. I'll give it a chance, whilst still let let down by the sets and such I've seen so far... time will tell. Even if it doesn't work out to be a great movie, I'm sure it'll at least spawn more gossip and breathe new life into trek one way or another.

ummm no. this is an uninformed opinion. and very dangerous things they are.

[086gf]

who the heck is nero?

Its almost impossible not to know since we've known about his existence and then mentioned about every other week since Jan.

You no longer have an excuse and can now keep up with me lol.---> http://www.trektoday.com/

[Barihawk]

I've been watching Trek since I was out of the womb and this movie doesn't really bother me at all. I'm really excited for it.

[undedavenger]

I don't see the upset, really, I don't. I've been a trekky most of my life, I grew up in the TNG era of television and saw the rise and fall of UPN. I didn't watch much of Enterprise, but I loved it's premise. This movie holds great potential and I really am not willing to judge a feature film by one minute of footage. I will admit that I felt let down when the new Enterprise did not resemble Gabe's as closely as we hoped, and when I saw the new bridge was a huge departure from the original 1960's bridge. But that bridge was made in the sixties and while it reached out to young people and captured their imagination then, it will not do so now in a world of CGI animation in every movie and million dollar sets. This movie will not be made or broken by the sets or the ships, but by the acting and portrayal of characters that the world has grown to know and love for three generations. One cannot judge that by a teaser trailer.

I can see the upset, because I've been a Trek fan long enough that TNG was the "new" Trek to me for a long time. My Dad's been a fan since TOS first aired, and he hooked me on it before I could walk. To a lot of long-time fans, the ship DOES matter to the movie or show. The Enterprise is as much a character in Star Trek as Kirk or Spock. There's nothing wrong with the TOS bridge. I admit it would be okay with me if they replaced the gumdrops that they used for buttons (look it up, Shatner kept eating them!) with a little more primitive LCARS system. And it might not have been a bad idea to tone down all the primary colors. However, I defy anyone on this board to tell me of ONE real-life place they've been that remotely resembles the TOS bridge. It's like a bridge for Bridge Commander. It can be nice bridge with old textures, and all it takes is a godd retexture to make it feel new. Same goes for the ship. Add some windows, some glows, a little lighting, and the TOS Enterprise looks far more futuristic than anything WE can send into space. It's not the aesthetic changes that are the truly offensive thing here. It's the fact that a series that so many of us have followed for 40 years, and is such a part of world culture, is being treated with no respect by a director whose claim to fame is creating a few TV shows that appeal to the lowest common denominator in society. He destroyed the Mission Impossible movies, which I very much enjoyed, and Cloverfield was one of the biggest, most pointless piles of crap I've ever seen. Give me Nick Meyer or Jonathan Frakes any day. Or even William Shatner! He may lack a bit as a director, but he respects Star Trek, and despite what he says sometimes, he respects its fans.

JJ Abrams is a joke. I almost wish this movie would suck just so it can sink his career.

He's trying to reinvent Star Trek to make it hipper, or cooler. But without the intelligence that has (up until 1998 or so) been a hallmark of Star Trek, why would I watch this over the other 4000 Star Wars wannabes out there. If JJ Abrams wants to invent, he should have made his own sci-fi series and let Star Trek be handled by someone who cares about what they're doing.

Don't screw with s legend, pal. It'll only bite you in the tail when all is said and done.

[Shadowknight1]

C'mon Shadow,

There is no need to get personal and tell jimmy to grow up, we can still all have a good debate without resorting to that ;).
But yes, i do agree with you its about the Characters and how they interact with each other, but the problem is the crew in Trex XI dont remind me of the crew he have grown to love,
I dont ever remember Spock openly attacking Kirk on the Bridge in TOS?

See now the thing there is the characters haven't gotten to the point in time that we know them.  I doubt Kirk and Spock became friends overnight.

And I didn't mean to snap, I'm just annoyed at the entire "canon" movement.  It's ridiculous.  And before you guys label me as a heretic and try to torch me, let me explain my position here.  I have two points.  The first is that this is in line with Roddenberry's vision.  Move forward and embrace change.  If they don't take a chance and get Trek out of the stagnant pool it's been sitting in since Insurrection, Trek WILL die.  No one wants that.

Second point is this.  Canon doesn't matter.  Not for this series of films(yes, I'm sure that there will be more).  Nero has travelled from the future.  His mere appearance in the timeline has irreperably altered the timeline.  We see his ship attacking and beating the ever-living piss out of the Kelvin, upon which Kirk's father is supposedly serving.  Likely the attack on the Kelvin prompts Starfleet to go for a different design on their starships than they might have had Nero not returned to the past.

Explained canonically or not, it is technically a reboot.  Or at the least an alternate timeline.  Whether the "supreme court" wants to admit it or not.  You can't introduce time travel and not expect things to get a bit out of hand.

Once again, I didn't mean to make a personal attack, I just think it's ridiculous to be basing this movie on whether the ship looks 100% like it did in TOS.  It won't.  It can't.  I knew it.  All I cared about was whether or not it would still look like the 1701 or if it would be like the Akira-prise.  Or worse, the J.

Honestly, I showed the trailer to one of my college professors who has been a fan a lot longer than I have, and he's excited about this movie too.  And he's an English professor, so he must see some merit in what little story is shown in the trailer.  That's my only complaint about these early trailers, they're mainly to make you ask the questions that don't get answered, ie. why is Kirk on the Enterprise while still wearing a cadet uniform, what did Kirk say to Spock to bring out that violent human anger and why would he do that, and why in the **** is Uhura stripping and for who?  :?

Besides, what little we see of the space battle was some of the coolest stuff I've seen since Serenity.

[JimmyB76]

the irony is, ive never been much a fan of TOS at all really...  and im certainly not a "canon" freak either...

to me, the characters themselves have been played by specific actors for 30ish years, and the actors have every bit made the characters who they are by melding their personalities and traits into them...
i have a tough time seeing someone other than the actors themselves playing those roles...   but it's not just that...  ive always found the TOS ship and bridge a bit cheesy, and of course it should get a more "modernized" overhaul by today's standards, but they went so far away from what it was, and the bridge, from what ive seen, doesnt even feel "trek-ish" in my own personal opinion...

i have been dubious about this whole concept and idea since the day it was announced, and i try to have alot of hope about it - i am a trek fan, i would love to be absolutely excited about it!  personally, as i said, i think the concept of a new Trek movie would have been so much better if it was in fact post-Nemesis, or even better - in the Ent-B, Ent-C era somewhere...  there is such a huge gap there, they really could do alot i think... 

also, i am so tired of seeing "remakes" (and prequils for that matter)... and every "remake" of something already been done years before, that has been redone again in the last decade, have really sucked, was cheesy as hell, completely overblown and hollywoodized; and with each one of them, i find myself disappointed and really thinking the original was so much better...  not to mention, when they remake something from 2-3 decades and such ago, it is so clear they are banking on the fact that those of us who were younger then will be filled with nostalgia and then go spend money to watch it again...  it's just a marketing ploy...  but with all the talent out there, and the current possibilities with technology that can be done for movies, why on earth rehash something and do it yet again? 

of course, i will watch it...  not so sure if i will go see it in the theaters tho...  i just really wish they could have left everything TOS-related and established fade out into history as it was and remembered exactly as it was...  there are so many other trek-related movies and fresh new ideas and concepts they really could have done instead of redoing something that has been established as such for decades now...


i am not seeking a debate with anyone, nor do i wish to engage in one...  this is just how i feel, and that's that...

[vipergb34]

From what I've seen from the Trailers I think this movie is going to be awsome, and I am liking the new look of the Enterprise.

[Barihawk]

Another note on fickle Trekkies:

"If I don't like it, it ain't canon!"

I always hated that.

[086gf]

And now we know what Nero's giant vessel is. Its called the Narada.

http://www.trektoday.com/news/201108_02.shtml


Ok, that was weird.


Anyways, heres something else I found. http://www.empireonline.com/features/jj-abrams-talks-star-trek-trailer/

Some of the more interesting stuff.

"Chris Pine as Kirk, gazing up at the USS Enterprise, at this point still under construction. The voiceover (Bruce Greenwood as Captain Pike) speaks of misspent youth and squandered potential. "Kirk, at this point, is all potential and he's rather aimless. He's a good guy but he does some foolish things, mostly because he doesn't quite know how to use his power and what to do.""

"Zachary Quinto as Spock - the swirly lights replace the classic speckling effect as Abrams' interpretation of the transporter beam."

"Carnage. It's hard to make out, but this is the Enterprise, having been ambushed upon arrival at Vulcan, engaging Nero's ship in battle. "Trek is something that some people might expect to be a kind of low energy experience. I'm hoping people who see the action here, who maybe have pre judged what Trek is, will open their eyes a little wider and say 'oh, that's not what I thought it was going to be.'"" <---Thats actually the Kelvin lol.

"Spock aids in the evacuation of Vulcan after Nero drops a "red matter" bomb into the planet's core, which builds a "singularity" (a black hole) inside the planet."

"Nero in rags being manhandled by Klingon guards (yes, they're Klingons under the masks). "Part of Nero's back story is that he was being held in a Klingon prison, so that's what you're seeing here."" Hiding the shame of looking human?

""There are a couple of good monsters in this, which is unusual for Trek. Neville Page designed them. He did the Cloverfield monster and he did an amazing job. He's a brilliant designer.""

"Nero's shadowy vessel. We know from the preview footage that it manages to take down 47 Klingon Warbirds single-handedly." Seems like a good match for a Cube to me.

[Dalek]

Woah, look at Pine's command chair!

Ah, a wonderful pic of the Enterprise at the Starbase.

Oh, apparently the Enterprise is in the pic with the Kelvin being shot up.

Haha! There big joysticks with big red buttons on! And look at the lift doors. Its like an entrance into a restaurant!

That mo***er f***ing bitch, naughty Nero put a big bomb inside Vulcan!

Omigod, in joke. You know that the red shirts always end up dead? Well, i think you can guess...

Ahha! Naughty Kirk, sneaking into other peoples bedrooms!

Hehe, go Sulu!

Holy crap, is that Bones?

Hey, they're cheating! That image is flipped!

Holy shit! I think we might see Klingon ships explode!

So theres Kirk getting happy with the ladies...

Bye bye Kelvin!

Not a "talky geekfest"! In some ways I feel insulted.

[086gf]

Oh, apparently the Enterprise is in the pic with the Kelvin being shot up.

lol You actually thought that was an error free observation? The Kelvin and the Enterprise arn't even from the same decade.;) It's a f&%k-up on Empire's part. Common sense please.

[Dalek]

I think I was being sarcastic. I better remember to put sarcastic next to some of my comments then.

Things is though, the description says that the Kelvin gets blown to pieces by Nero's ship and Im guessing Nero's ship is quite new. And to think it blew up 47 Klingon on ships...

[Captain_April]

perhaps Nero's ship recieved a comprehensive refit later on, just because he holds that much power.  I'm sure that Shinzon did the same with the Scimitar. 
I hope that both characters aren't the same, Napoleonic barbarian b***t*rd child that Shinzon was!
well, the action part seems pretty good for the preservation of Star Trek.  if the goal is to attract a larger audience, the movie should be aimed at young people who like explosions and death.  I've spoken to several people who haven't watched Star Trek because there's "no fighting"  although that couldn't be farther from the truth.
Although we better hear a whole bunch of technobable about phase inducers failing in the heat of battle and EPS conduits rupturing on deck 72 (ST V reference).  or maybe something that exists, like deck 14.

[PJCham]

During the original run of Star Trek TOS, a screenwriter tried to change Roddenberry's original concept. The writer's name was Harlan Ellison. His script was accepted ... with major rewrites. It aired as "The City on the Edge of Forever" ... considered one of TOS's best episodes.

The point being, Roddenberry never would've accepted the screenplay in its original form. And, I suspect, neither would he have approved this movie.

Worse, J.J. Abrams has ignored Roddenberry's original backstory for Kirk. At the Academy, he was "absolutely grim" ... an over-achiever. Always serious. Followed the rules. Constantly taunted by upperclassmen. His best friend almost suckered him into getting married. Evidently, nothing like the young Kirk in this movie. Thanks to Abrams, Ellison must be grinning the proverbial Cheshire grin.

As for Matt Jefferies' original designs ... well, I have a replica of each. You've gotta be quick to pick one up 'cause they sell fast. Fortunately, if you miss out, you can always pick up a replica of any of the objects from other Trek series ... most of them are still on the shelf. I have a sneaky suspicion that the J.J. Abrams version of NCC 1701 won't sell much better.

Hopefully this movie will flop and Abrams banned from Hollywood. Else I'll need to worry about his next hack and slash romp.  Through my favorite Sci-Fi classic ... Forbidden Planet. I shudder to think what foul, distasteful things he could do to Robby.

[martyr]

if i can live through the star wars prequels and find some enjoyment out of them thin this movie will be a walk in the park