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Offline MajorPayne

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Re: Baz1701 WIP's
« Reply #4820 on: May 18, 2013, 03:13:14 PM »
Looks excellent baz. I'll be following this thread VERY closely and when/if this beast is released ill be sure to grab it.

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Re: Baz1701 WIP's
« Reply #4821 on: May 18, 2013, 03:26:15 PM »
Baz, finish up the Vengeance and I'll recreate the IMAX poster!
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Re: Baz1701 WIP's
« Reply #4822 on: May 18, 2013, 05:22:58 PM »
rewatching the movie again tomorrow. Then in the evening I will work on the ferengi station as I don't want to get disqualified for not completing it on time :P

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Re: Baz1701 WIP's
« Reply #4823 on: May 18, 2013, 08:14:10 PM »
Hey just out of curiosity for the weapons, anyone know the SIZE of those Phaser bolts the Vengeance was firing? That first shot was at LEAST the size of half the Enterprise nacelle and took out a HUGE chunk of the saucer, and with it being BIGGER than the ENterprise E, I was wondering how one would measure the size of one of those pulses?

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Re: Baz1701 WIP's
« Reply #4824 on: May 18, 2013, 08:55:14 PM »
The scale of the Enterprise varies even within the movies themselves.  You can chalk up the overscaling to purely cinematic needs.  Besides, if the scale of the JJPrise were 725 meters, the Vengeance would be way too large for that shot of it hitting San Francisco and Alcatraz.

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Re: Baz1701 WIP's
« Reply #4825 on: May 18, 2013, 09:43:32 PM »
The scale of the Enterprise varies even within the movies themselves.  You can chalk up the overscaling to purely cinematic needs.  Besides, if the scale of the JJPrise were 725 meters, the Vengeance would be way too large for that shot of it hitting San Francisco and Alcatraz.
That's an understatement.  First I thought the shot of Kirk and McCoy against the side of the ship would be a good one for size comparison.  Then there was the shuttlecraft.  Then the torpedoes.  It's become almost as inconsistent as the Enterprise-A, the Enterprise-E, and the Defiant.

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Re: Baz1701 WIP's
« Reply #4826 on: May 19, 2013, 02:58:50 AM »
Guys I appreciate the comments but please no plot spoilers for those yet to see it.
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Re: Baz1701 WIP's
« Reply #4827 on: May 19, 2013, 03:43:27 AM »
Problem solved.

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Re: Baz1701 WIP's
« Reply #4828 on: May 19, 2013, 07:07:57 AM »
Can't say I saw any size discrepancies this time. Alcatraz is practically microscopic under the hull (didn't bother spoiler tagging that as it's in every single trailer)

Seeing the Vengeance slicing through the city really cements the colossal size of the thing.
As for the Enterprise, shots of the ship next to shuttles again (which are bigger themselves remember) and even tiny swimming people clearly backs up the 725.35m aswell.


I don't want to open up a can of worms in Baz's thread (again), but as a small insight into VFX production (a field I've recently entered and have a lot of friends in ;))...

Nowadays for film and even TV, finalized 3D models are built accurately to 1:1 scale in the 3D environments (I feel sorry for whoever had to handle the Narada!). So if that's how big they say the ship is (eg the Enterprise is stated to be 2379.75 feet/ 725.35m in the bluray features at least twice [Screenshot for anyone without a bluray player: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-YENremF4m0M/URATyW1Z1vI/AAAAAAAAMmE/LPPoT0K9r2w/s1600/Star+Trek+Consititution+class+comparison.jpg] and in the Art of the Film book), that's how big it really is.

Again, the only clear discrepancy to the large scale I've seen in either film is the shot of the shuttle taking off while the Ent is being built. This was likely to allow for the tight camera movement swinging up to reveal the reg number on the nacelle. We often have to bend the rules a bit based on what the director wants a shot to do. It's his film after all.
Every other shot we can judge from consistently show it to be the larger given size. Even the very first teaser trailer shows the workmen welding it to be tiny on it's hull.  Plus, the Enterprise isn't a Tardis, those large cavernous interiors have to fit somewhere. :funny

As for the phasers/disruptors/nasty beams of doom from the Vengeance. I don't think length matters that much. Remember TNG phasers were usually a looooong continuous beam.

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Re: Baz1701 WIP's
« Reply #4829 on: May 19, 2013, 01:32:32 PM »
not sure I can change much more.



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Re: Baz1701 WIP's
« Reply #4830 on: May 19, 2013, 01:44:16 PM »
Don't think there's anything else needing to be changed, she looks good.

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Re: Baz1701 WIP's
« Reply #4831 on: May 20, 2013, 09:00:46 AM »
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Re: Baz1701 WIP's
« Reply #4832 on: May 20, 2013, 06:23:39 PM »
Found a pic of the QMX model of the Vengeance from their latest update here which may help
http://www.qmxonline.com/news/qmx-offers-props-from-star-trek-into-darkness/

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Re: Baz1701 WIP's
« Reply #4833 on: May 21, 2013, 02:16:07 AM »
Since qmx seems to have ground to a halt;
https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/484502_729241247092383_1965158254_n.jpg
http://www.startrek.com/uploads/assets/articles/QMXship2.jpg

*Sigh*... I'm still waiting for a good but not huge/ridiculously expensive model of the 09 Enterprise.

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Re: Baz1701 WIP's
« Reply #4834 on: May 21, 2013, 07:25:14 AM »
Since qmx seems to have ground to a halt;
https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/484502_729241247092383_1965158254_n.jpg
http://www.startrek.com/uploads/assets/articles/QMXship2.jpg

*Sigh*... I'm still waiting for a good but not huge/ridiculously expensive model of the 09 Enterprise.
You and everyone else.  I saw an unboxing of the studio model-scale JJ-prise and while she was beautiful, my god was she big.

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Re: Baz1701 WIP's
« Reply #4835 on: May 21, 2013, 09:37:34 AM »
Since qmx seems to have ground to a halt;

QMX not following through on something? No, you're mistaken.  :hithead:

Looking really nice, Baz.

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Re: Baz1701 WIP's
« Reply #4836 on: May 21, 2013, 10:20:14 AM »
The only thing I see that may need changing on Baz's Vengeance mesh is the bussard collector, front bits of the nacelles. Other than that, I don't see much to change (until more references are available).
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Re: Baz1701 WIP's
« Reply #4837 on: May 21, 2013, 03:03:54 PM »
looks good baz :D

hmmm anyone know the reason... i mean the trek-nical reason they did the hole in the saucer?
i think ive seen other ships with that too.
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Re: Baz1701 WIP's
« Reply #4838 on: May 21, 2013, 04:20:28 PM »
looks good baz :D

hmmm anyone know the reason... i mean the trek-nical reason they did the hole in the saucer?
i think ive seen other ships with that too.

It's massive unsound from a structural perspective.  At this size there is no core structure to the flexible outter sections to and thus nothing to secure the neck of the vesel.  All kind of sagging in the superstructure....
One may look at it as an attempt to reduce mass.... (in a really bad way.)

And...yet I like it more than Enterprise....
Why is it I like every ship more than Abramsprise....Kelvin included....

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Re: Baz1701 WIP's
« Reply #4839 on: May 21, 2013, 04:30:06 PM »
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And...yet I like it more than Enterprise....
Why is it I like every ship more than Abramsprise....Kelvin included....
Maybe it is because all of the other ships were not called Enterprise.
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