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Need Opinion on Something from community..
« on: October 26, 2009, 10:34:23 AM »
OKay i am only inserting this trailer as a reference not to  spam myself, but in  case noone had seen it in a prior thread, My star trek Daystar series has shifted gears to be -crew starts out in 2403, ends up i temporal rift to am altertered timeline of TOS (sort of a alternate of an alternate JJ verse),crew uses future tech to fake credentials to insert itself into TOS starfleet, trying to figure out why they are stuck in said timeline and cant just slingshot around sun and return home or such-i altered timeline, KHAN has gotten free of ceti alpha 5 early, taken over a black textured starship i customised texture for,and ends up taking over as ruler of the Klingon empire and resuming his Napoleon like best against starfleet.



What i need an opinion on is about KHAN (i am in middle of a fun trailer i made my version of Khan, the captain is based off myself the helmsman and marine characters based off friends), I analysed space seed, and WOK, in my honest opinion, had Khan let loose in the 23rd century, he would see the Klingons as kindred spirits and learn with his super intellect,their customs, travel to Quo'nos, challenge the chancellor to honorable combat, and kill him and claim the Empire, he would use charismatic glory speeches to lead the Klingons into thinking he can help then Avenge their honor vs the humans of earth, and he would lead them to battle like a mad general.

That is my opinion of one scenerio of what could happen. The Klingons may not like humans, but they respect Honor and they respect powerful warriors.

Thoughts? The Tholians are a MAJOR advesery in this series, as we learned in Enterprise, they are part of the temporal cold war, they attack the uss prometheus in the first episode that crew survives in the Saucer section and seperates before a core breach, the crew has access to a cloak enabled saucer section as a resoource base throughout the series, and at a later time, i plan to have them break free of TOS era and launch possibly into the STO era a few years past their vanishing ( this is turning into a sort of "voyager" but rather than lost in space, crew lost in time).

at present i am debating between Daystar ship being the yamamato class shown in trailer and JJ connie, ive been testing JJ connie and LOVE the sounds and FX of its phasers. I would also explain, as im sure this is why in JJ verse, this new connie is a result of a Timeline wherethe feds have a war or miust prepare for hostilities and thus beef up the designs for combat spec (nero's narada IMO made starfleet overhaul the connie design to assume romulans have that weaponry and hostile intent).

One last thing- I am toying with the idea that the Vulcan is not what she seems- that she is an Agent of the Federation from the 44th century who,trying to go back and help sort the timelines, got stuck as well..that she is in fact, a Romulan- from an era where the romulans are "part"of the federation-so as time goes she will be assumed to be a romulan spy-when she is not.

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Re: Need Opinion on Something from community..
« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2009, 10:36:36 AM »
I think a twist would occur when Khan finds out that some of the Augment genetics used to create him had leaked into the Klingon genepool (since the alteration took place during Enterprise, it's across the board).  since that's screen canon...
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« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2009, 10:58:11 AM »
OOOO i had not considered THAT!! that would only add more intrique and a connection for sure toi the flat head klingons..perhaps Khan takes the flat head Klingons as his "brothers" when theyve been treated as outcasts, it divides the empire! thanks man, that is MORE than helpful!

i made a final decision-the daystar is a JJ connnie ship. it is accompanied at all times by a  Midway carrier ship, my friends loved that ship,it gavce them Galactica feel, we will move like a taskforce, The Daystar will be a heavily rettofitted battleship, supporting the uss Midway as it launches both starfleet marines and fighter craft.

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« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2009, 02:09:32 PM »
there's another twist.  remember the history of the Augment virus.  they're trying to get RID of it, and get their original appearance back. you might wanna throw that in with a little bit of conflict.
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« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2009, 06:29:50 AM »
I cookied you KING- my fellows in the Daystar Project LOVE you! you will get some credit for your ideas. This is almost TO perfect! Khan gets loose- he discovers a split in Klingon culture- his own "blood" brothers- he uses his charisma to rally them- create an army- The "true" Klingons don't support and reject him and the "mutants"- but like Magneto in the x-men films- the "outcasts" become the dominators-- Khan will be adveseries to General Chang- when he takes "legal"control of The Empire, Chang leads a resistance to challenge his authority--so while a 3rd of the Klingon Empire follows Khan to war with starfleet, Chang allies hiumself with The federation and the Romulans- as he tries to usurp Khan and help restore HOnor to the now fu**ed up Glory of the Klingon Empire.

a Bit of a sidenote- Captain Kane, (based of me) is more than he appears. he was a section 31 agent experimenting in BORG nanotechnology time and ago have tactical super skills implants in his cordical node, and enhanced reflex, speed, strength- Khan underestimates him time and again, not understanding how this human who is not an augment can be his match- so one idea is borg enhanced men vs "genetic" enhanced men- i find the concept fascinating (i plan some cool kung fu type brawls with khan where i kick his lily ass and he is shocked.)

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« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2009, 08:56:44 AM »
now THAT is going to be an interesting twist in itself.  genetic engineering VS nanotech engineering.  I think the borg would be in MAJOR trouble.  like the 8472's weren't enough!

i have a couple suggestions:

Romulan spy sneaks in to try and grab something to give the romulans their innate psi powers back
Khan teams up with the 8472 to had the borg their a$$, then gets turned on BY the 8472

i think we might have to compare universe notes...i think I just found crossover potential with my own piece of trek.
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« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2009, 10:32:10 AM »
Indeed..But i am not necessarily bringing the BORG in, at least not YEt,  The Nanio probe experiments are from the captain being from the future of 2403..

SPOILER POTENTIAL-- The Tholians are responsible for "locking" a "fixed" altered timeline for the purpose clearing thru war, the humnans and klingons out of the way during thius era due to some key Tholian "lost" technology that was on a uncertain lost colony ship that crashed somewhere within either the Alpha or Beta quadrent- They know that a war insgtigated between feds and klingons would not "guarentee"who would win, and there is the chance diplomacy could halt the war prematurely and upset their plans. So they analyse history and see potential for KHAN to tip the balance in leading the Enemies to a war that would be quite devestating, and then if need be, the Tholians will sit back, wait for them to weaken each other, and if necessary toss in a "clean up the rest" plan by manipulating the BORG, or the Cardasians, or some other majoir unexpected pwoer to come in and tip the balance, There is more to this--the nature of "how and why:" this time line is "fixed and locked" is going to play a part in the Tholians goals, the idea is if they can amnipulate a Tholian empire that is all out powerful by the 24th century, they can "unlock"the time line with noi interference from temporal agencies, and "collapse and mesh"the timelines and cause superior Tholian might to suddenly exist in a great many proper timelines.

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Re: Need Opinion on Something from community..
« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2009, 11:23:57 AM »
just for an really odd twist, throw in a Ferengi smuggler/arms dealer who deals with starship scale weapons mainly, bit like Quarks cousin. He could call in a few favors and call together a patched up, rag tag fleet formed by outdated yet retrofitted ships that have decent weaponry.. for a not completely ridiculous price. Of course, Daystar would have to save his greedy butt from time to time, just to keep up the mutual respect and lower level of profit for this anti-hero.
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Re: Need Opinion on Something from community..
« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2009, 12:01:56 PM »
there's always some Monkeywrenching potential with this kind of thing either involving Khan and Company, or a Terran Empire leak in time-frame (a-la in a mirror darkly)  somebody has to know the Tholians' weak-point.

*grins* i think I would give good money for this in novel form, just to see if the temporal police DO stick their noses in.
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« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2009, 03:50:10 PM »
ALL fantastic ideas, but i forgot to mention something--the temporal police "cannot"get involved--

The nature of this timeline is, the Tholians are using extremely advanced understanding of quantum physics to create what you might crudely call a "encrypted timeline", they learned how to push or nudge a time change (time we have learned in real life, is a form of energy that is very "dynamic" going by Dr who's explanations, ther are "fixed ppoints" and "non fixed" points of time, the tholians carefully manipulated events to create a time line that is "diverted, or "a derivable" of a "fixed point" and then "locked it down" using advanced mneans that are possibly beyong even the 50th cengtury in knowledge of quantum mechanics, the temporal agencies unless they come from an even GREATER period of time, are unable ,though aware, to "bust in:" to this "hacked " time line.

BTW very impressive idea feedback--not one suggestion has gone unnoted by me and my friends,and i will not take credit for ideas that are not 100% mine, so rest assured your names will be given proper credits.

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« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2009, 04:41:10 PM »
I'm glad that you like it. Hell, I might start writing my own fanfic soon and use BC screenshots as additional effects.
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« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2009, 04:45:48 PM »
you never know.  they may be working their butts off because of the "Narada Indecent" now more than ever.  at the minimum, I'd say have the tholians intercept some grouchy back and forth by the temporals about the locked timeline.

oh...make sure no-one mentions The Doctor anywhere near this, or He'll throw a sonic screwdriver in the works!  hmm...*suddenly pictures The Master sticking his nose in, and getting life 13D abruptly terminated* :evil

Edit: I've had a peek at the trailer, now.  I'd adjust the tint on your vulanoid officer.  although the 'romulan' part would explain the flailing about.  did you use something rigged for the Sims for this? *laughs at the Deltan running away like a dumb blond girly-girl*
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« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2009, 09:35:16 PM »
Heh no not the sims, its the movies and "stunts and effects" i can control quite a bit of the animations and i have 100% control of the camerawork..i actually studied jj abrams style of camera work to try to recreate that style.

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« Reply #13 on: October 31, 2009, 04:22:34 AM »
ton of lens flares and drunken camera men? oh my..  :funny
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« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2009, 05:42:42 AM »
LOL no more the sharp jumps he does with his camerawork and long space shots , i also like how Galactica did their space combat shots, youd see long shots of one ship,and then focus on one that comes up in view while your still focused on the long shot, little stuff like that. JJ does sharp left to right camera work..here ill post an older trailer where i use my closest recreation of the sharp camera movements as a reference.



He did stuff like that a LOT during bridge scenes and i actually liked it as opposed to just cut and next shot cut and next sbhot, it made it feel a bit lively. took me a while to edit the character to character and overhead down sharp camerawork, im still experimenting with my unique "style"

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« Reply #15 on: October 31, 2009, 07:44:11 AM »
*chuckle* i wasn't looking at the camera/directorial style (i only notice Peter Jackson's style, anyway, mister epic pannage), I was looking at the actual character models (i look at the design details rather than the big picture).  one of the crew running from the explosions on the ship was doing it in a combination Flaming Gay/Dumb blond chick/Pickaninny/Scotty Evil style.  and what was with the old fashioned 30's hotel style mini-lampshade Sconces on the doorframes?  that's what made me think Sims.
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Baz: space is vast there[sic] legs will be tired by the time they get to the next planet

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« Reply #16 on: October 31, 2009, 09:39:56 AM »
That was a modded retexture voyager coridor for one of the sets unfortunetly this program is harder to mod than BC so there will be some idddy stuff ,the cooridor sets I(i have a crapload of sets and moddeded sets, alien worlds, 4 bridges, a ready room type, shuttles that can be flown,the way they ran, i could have changed i was going for humor hehe theres about 3-5 options on that part,) The movies uses a unique system, it has "mannaquins" with pre rigged choices of scenes and animations with sliders (but a lot of them) you make the costumes, faces has a seperate custom program called starmaker u totally make the head shapes, eyes, gface, ,skins etc like yeah ,sims, sorta, morph dials, like poser, it can be modded in blender, im working on taking my stockpile of trek props and obj files from daz studio and translating them over to this program, ive had a degree of some luck, with luck bridges to, i may even be able to do a BC/blender/the movies 3 way port to then use proper bridges, or virtual bluescreen sets and use DDS backdrops like a virtual set.
otherwise,there are some limitations i have to deal with. My marines look awesome u havent seen em yet, i changed their jumpsuits to urban camo, they hjave halo style helmets, but my buddy wants to see if he can rig custom scripts for halo 3 and make say, klingons fighting the marines of halo to manipulate for mechinima etc.

That bald girl was indeed a deltan, a major character, i also as mentioned earlier, am takign the actual Lt Ilia and making her a crewmember since this is before TMP (seen test shots of her in phase 2 cancelled tv series shed wear a gold skirt unifoirm) VGER..how i will handle vger may or may not be addressed this tos era we end up in is 2269, 2 yrs after khan was marooned on ceti alpha v1.

again, due to an altered timeline, TMP and TOS will be somewhat mixed because production designs were ramped up way ahead of schedule due to war.

i hated TMP uniforms, so that'll never happen. story arc 1 is set in 2269, the tholians have created a "web" inside time/space called a "temporal web"..spoilers end there for now my buddy and i hashed this concept last eve, i think itll allow a lot of room to maneuver and not make this a bottle series like gilligans isle or voyager 9where once u get off island/delta quad the show has nowhere to go,a common tv trap)

The Tholian Temporal web has exit and entry apitures in various time eras because whenever antimatter explosions happpen, ships being destroyed, etc, it creates tachyons, tachyons, in science travel "backwards in time" in theory, the tholians are instigating wars in each exit and entry rift of the web to cause massive antimatter explosions to flood tachyons into the web itself and feed it, which will allow them to use it in a sinister way and that is where i will leave the explanation for your conjecture and if u want, idea contributions which i gladly accept. :)

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« Reply #17 on: October 31, 2009, 09:49:04 AM »
This is the program and expansion i use. its one of the most continually modded games out there,like BC.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Movies:_Stunts_%26_Effects

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« Reply #18 on: October 31, 2009, 11:00:47 AM »
I'm an OLD trekkie, so i know a deltan when I see one (apparently, the guy with the mustaches at the helm of the probe-drained ship in Ep 4- that was recycled into the fed president for ep6- is another deltan variant).

there's also an old trek joke running around about a cousin of Ilia's, a literall redhead :P

i say, if this is a combo alternate universe, I'd add a couple of Phase 2/TMP characters that were dropped.  Spock's "replacement" Xon, and the admiral he was beaming up with...who happened to be Kirk's squeeze at the time.  and a Cameo by a pre-Excelsior Janice Rand.  mabey even throw in the first pilot characters having survived better (imagine the tribute to Majel Barrett-Roddenberry by having Number One chatting to Christine Chappel while the computer gabs and a young Lwaxana Troi looks on :P )
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« Reply #19 on: October 31, 2009, 01:26:30 PM »
did u know dc comics used xon as saaviks betrothed for pon farr in one issue? he ended jup dying i thbink