Author Topic: The Precise Defiant (Read 9982 times)

baz1701 · « **Reply #80 on:** March 26, 2012, 06:25:34 AM »

As someone who has build spacedock. All I can say is...

... MAN ARE YOU CRAZY THIS NEEDS TO BE IN THE MODS SECTION NOT THE ART FORUM.

Your skills are very good are if the models released in the BC world would be a worth addition as anyones.

Saquist · « **Reply #81 on:** March 28, 2012, 12:55:15 AM »

Gracias,
But I'm not that good yet.
The current model is at 28,79 faces.

Saquist · « **Reply #82 on:** March 28, 2012, 10:28:05 PM »

South City's 5 Towers which I named.

X ray Tower
Observatory Tower
Euridice Tower
Cartography Tower
Kirschner Tower

This stuff is simple. just cylinders and few special features like dishes and stuff but it adds much to the Station.

I'll move on to the dock area.
Mainly the space doors and their openings
The inner Dock still must be finished by joining the two models I did together properly
The last think I'll do is all the exterior bays on the station's surface.

Bones · « **Reply #83 on:** March 29, 2012, 01:54:33 AM »

Deffinitely the best SB recreation ever. I hope you'll be able to put it in game

have a cookie !

baz1701 · « **Reply #84 on:** March 29, 2012, 03:49:27 AM »

Well if he does not get this in game with these refs I might take another crack at it myself.

sovereign001 · « **Reply #85 on:** March 31, 2012, 04:19:40 PM »

Looks fantastic saquist!

mckinneyc · « **Reply #86 on:** March 31, 2012, 04:44:38 PM »

:drool:

Saquist · « **Reply #87 on:** April 18, 2012, 01:03:31 AM »

Back to Defiant.

Having more problems with the photo match perspective as I try an figure out the tail sections dept. It's not working so I'm going to have to try and photomatch the back and the front at the exact same time and attempt to keep the proportions the same. I'll let David Schmidt's Defiant be the judge of vertical vs. Horizontal proportions in perspective.

Meanwhile, I wanted to capture what I created in sketchup for the nose in a CAD plan.

Heres a comparison with David Schmidts Defiant Nose and the nose I extrapolated on Sketchup

David's is Green mine is blue.
You'll recall I had some problem's with the nose being too long. Well that is not corrected here. But to me this looks more right than wrong. It think it is too slanted in the front just a tad..

Bones · « **Reply #88 on:** April 18, 2012, 05:51:23 AM »

Dunno why but the green is too thick IMHO doesn't feel right this way... looks more like the CGI version.

Blue looks much closer to what we can see in most shots of studio model, quick eye comparision with the photo and it's clear blue is more accurate.

Saquist · « **Reply #89 on:** July 29, 2012, 12:44:14 PM »

I've been wiped out by over time the last few months and this project has frustrated me immensely.
I came back to Defiant today and did some measurements to find out if my perspectives were correct.

I started a new Photomatch (yes...again).
I can't say how good it is untill I get more of the forward hull complete and not just the bottom.
However this time I decided to literally design the Defiant giving it a set size, height and length.
I have used this defined height and length to create the new photomatch.
This has already helped to determine that my current perspective in Sketchup is extremely close.

Comparisons

Nose Width
Here I drew the sketup lines based off the Autocad lines
Autocad Lengths: 26.3220 meters
Sketup Lengths from Perspective:26.32

From the back of the nose to end of the ship
Autocad Lengths:123.7302 meters
Sketup Lengths from Perspective:124.38

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That's a difference of .6498!!!
In other words a tolerance of plus or minus 1 5/8 Feet of error.
That's extremely acceptable.
It's a strong indicator the perspective is correct length wise.

Saquist · « **Reply #90 on:** November 19, 2012, 04:42:29 PM »

Ventral View

Dorsal View

I've redone this twice now. It's One of John Eaves alien designs and he certainly does aliens very well.
These drawings are preliminary. They don't include either set of nacelles and will serve to generate the Forward and Aft Views.

Saquist · « **Reply #91 on:** November 21, 2012, 01:33:03 AM »

I'm not completely satisfied with the Doors roundness. There may be nothing I can do about it but for now its sufficient if angular.

CyAn1d3 · « **Reply #92 on:** November 21, 2012, 08:41:03 PM »

santa madre de la vaca!

thats purdy!

u tryin to make the rest of us working stiffs look bad?

TheConstable6 · « **Reply #93 on:** November 21, 2012, 10:00:01 PM »

Quelle chance nous avons...

Bravo

Saquist · « **Reply #94 on:** November 22, 2012, 06:33:06 AM »

Gracias, guys.
I realised I was making this alot more complicated than they needed to be. I wasn't using the layers to may advantage or making components to separate structures under construction from finished items. Making the doors was a much simpler *still difficult* task than when I first started.

Secondary Doors are next.
They were never shown in the real interior of Spacedock but I think it's important to show them since they shown on the outside. Shouldn't be to hard.

Saquist · « **Reply #95 on:** December 02, 2012, 11:48:17 PM »

I consider this a beak through:
I'm extremely happy with this profile. I was able to closely approximate the side ortho of the nose of Defiant thanks to correlating details in different images. I had to abandon Sketchup. I think I went as far as I could with it for figuring out the model. I had take what knew and trust my eye. The tip of Defiant's nose was the big problem. It had to hang lower than the body yet it's top higher than Main Hull. It also apparently had a mostly straight bottom. Using some of the sketchup notes I could figure out the angle of the back end by figuring how high up the nook it reached.
I guess the proof is in the pudding..

Version 1.0 Defiant Profile. (click image shack for full version)

baz1701 · « **Reply #96 on:** December 03, 2012, 09:18:36 AM »

This is cool. Amost feel inspired to to give the old Defiant ago.

TheConstable6 · « **Reply #97 on:** December 04, 2012, 05:32:46 PM »

Just amazing...

FarShot · « **Reply #98 on:** December 04, 2012, 06:39:16 PM »

I've said it in the past, I'll say it right now. Making a Defiant as I type this. Who knows, it may be done by Christmas. ;)

Saquist · « **Reply #99 on:** December 06, 2012, 06:31:59 AM »

The reasons why these views take a while is that have to be confirmed (if possible) is the previous created views and the cross checked with the images I have on file. Even after I'm through with this process I'll have to create a legit 3D model to confirm the curves and then I'll "Flat shot" those complicated curves into 2D drawings. That's why All these are are only versions.

I've included as much physical detail that isn't merely paint or seam work so as not to clutter the images.
To get this nose I had drop it's bottom a bit and that of course changed the side view so there is a new Side Elevation view to be made later.
There are immediately some difference between the Davide Schmidt drawings I started with. Primary the tail section doesn't dip down as low in this view nor does it have the same shape.
I've also noticed that the model has the bottom cannon pointed in the wrong direction (outboard) instead of straight ahead. (corrected here)
I've also left out the raised stage of the Shuttle /tractor module off this view. It's not a huge difference most wouldn't notice, but I haven't decided how far off the bottom it will be.

Version 1.0 Defiant Front Plan

David Schmidt's Version
(For Reference)
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/6922/sddefiantsheet2x.jpg

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