Star Trek Into Darkness - Images, Videos, Discussion, etc

[nxadam1701]

A phaser permanently set to kill doesn't feel right to me.

It does if you had my temper 

Adam

[Saquist]

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As has been said repeatedly, Cadet is merely a title that means you haven't graduated from the Academy yet. There are several examples in canon where someone graduated from the Academy with the rank of Lieutenant, and some even serving aboard active starships As a Lieutenant, without graduating. Case in point, Lt Saavik, Lt Valeris. Kirk (in the Prime Timeline) graduated from the Academy as a Lieutenant as far as I recall. Pike promoting "JJ" Kirk to First Officer is the equivalent of a Battlefield Promotion to Lt Commander. When Spock steps down as acting Captain, Kirk rightly assumes command.

I don't know about "rightly" more liked "forced" just to get the result.  IF you were a cadet only hours before you do not have the seniority to assume command.  The story doesn't give just cause for the promotion nor does it reason the promotion as abnormal or contrary in regards to normal practices because the field promotion is upheld by Star Fleet.  So details aside we're still looking at a Cadet taking command of a starship.  A cadet that was on academic probation.

[JimmyB76]

perhaps this convo, which is a good and valid one, might be better off in the Trek XI thread since it is about that movie?

[Shadowknight1]

Just got my Star Trek Into Darkness soundtrack, and took me a few seconds of staring to figure out the design on the CD.  Turns out the CD is the saucer of the USS Vengeance.  Kinda hard to tell since the damn ship is jet black. 

[Tuskin38]

HAHAH OH GOD

[eclipse74569]

I'm perfectly calm.  And others are making my points for me, for once.

Actually I meant myself...I had a bit of a rant basically saying that certain people are making me feel like they're trying to push us into disliking the film.....

[Joshmaul]

I'm gonna see it for myself before I give an opinion...but my opinion remains the same on the first, it's essentially a generic action movie with the label slapped on it. Not bad, but not great either. And I am willing to look at other Treks with critical eyes too - ST5 still makes me go "seriously?", TMP was slightly improved by the director's cut, "the one with the whales" is okay...but my favorites remain TWOK/TSFS, TUC and FC.

[Shadowknight1]

I'm gonna see it for myself before I give an opinion...but my opinion remains the same on the first, it's essentially a generic action movie with the label slapped on it. Not bad, but not great either. And I am willing to look at other Treks with critical eyes too - ST5 still makes me go "seriously?", TMP was slightly improved by the director's cut, "the one with the whales" is okay...but my favorites remain TWOK/TSFS, TUC and FC.

Star Trek Insurrection is the worst in my eyes...Picard defies orders on a subject that he previously went ahead and carried out the same orders on.  Then there's the Baku who hate technology and machines, saying "When you make a machine do the work of a man, you take something from the man."  Great.  What about that irrigation system?  And the dam?  And those so very precisely crafted clothes?  Freaking hypocrites on all sides.  Not to mention some of the worst Trek dialog since "Brain and brain, what is brain?!"  Oh, and terrible effects, stupid writing, and all around fail.  Only decent thing about it was the music, thank you Jerry Goldsmith, God rest him.

[Trim]

Well I just got back from seeing this "Movie" and while certain aspects were entertaining I have to say that for the most part I was very unimpressed to be honest.  At times I kind of thought that I was watching a crappy remake of a combination of TOS episode "Space Seed" and TWOK.  I mean seriously, they even had to redo the scene with Kirk and Spock but with the roles reversed and Kirk dying instead of Spock???  WTF???  One would think that they could at least come up with an original story line and not use the same subject matter that was used in TWOK.   

Well without going into a big rant about it I'll just say that this one gets the thumbs down from me.   

[eclipse74569]

I actually enjoyed it (I know "*GASP* YOU'RE NOT A REAL TREKKIE IF YOU LIKED THIS MOVIE").

I do agree though, I wish they would come up with original content.  Maybe the next movie will change that!

[Nebula]

the way it is shaping up I'm seeing the next movie being another take on UDC

[King Class Scout]

more like a combination of TWOK and TOS novel "Dreadnaught!".  after all, JJ nodded to the author of Best Destiny in the first one, why not one of her other novels?  I see the "starfleet is full of loopy admirals" tradition is still in place.

what, you guys weren't expecting khan to get a rehash?  my first thought on seeing the screencap of him in the cell was 'i wonder if that's Khan?'

if you people are gonna start screaming the old chestnut about "nobody writes anything original anymore", I'm gonna start wishing I could dope slap people.  the guys that write this stuff are in their forties, and are writing their preferences.  that's why there's an eighties nostalgia wave going on, right now.  in ten years someone's gonna start getting nostalgic about Seinfeld and Animaniacs and everything nineties and turn it into movies.  for pete's sake, the Power Rangers are starting to evoke nostalgia.

Joshmaul: am I the only one that found 5 hilarious?!

Nebs: nah, they'll rehash the one with the whales, next! XD

[Shadowknight1]

Ugh, so sick of the Wrath of Khan "rip-off" claims.  Two scenes.  Just two.  And the dialog was totally different between Kirk and Spock except for ONE LINE.  Frankly, and I am going to get a LOT of flak for this...I think I like Cumberbatch's Khan better than Montalban's...at least Montalban in TWOK.  I'm gonna flat out say it, I hate the whole "I HAVE TO KILL KIRK" motivation Khan has in ST2.  In "Space Seed" and in Into Darkness, Khan is a charismatic, manipulative bastard, doing everything he can to further his own goals.  In ST2, he throws aside the lives of the people that have been at his side for decades just so he can get revenge on an aging, admittedly going senile, Starfleet Admiral.  Did it make for a good movie?  Yes.  But it also seemed to throw everything that Khan was in "Space Seed" out the airlock.

Also, I found Kirk's percussive maintenance of the warp core a lot more interesting than Spock pulling black shadows out of the dilithium chamber.  Seriously, one of you guys that knows the Trek-nology better than me, WTF was going ON in that scene?!

Oh, and I've seen a few complaints about Marcus flat out telling Kirk and Spock about Section 31, which is supposed to be highly classified way beyond what they'd be cleared for.  The answer to that was simple.  Marcus was sending Kirk and company to slaughter.  If Kirk had carried out Marcus's orders rather than deciding to capture Khan, he would've fired torpedoes at the Klingon homeworld.  His ship would've been stranded and a Klingon battle fleet would have obliterated the Enterprise, giving the perfect excuse for Marcus to begin full militarization of Starfleet, ala. Admiral Cartwright.

I don't think one should be labelled "not a real Trekkie" for liking these movies.  My friends who are also Trek fans have all liked them.  That doesn't make us any less Trekkies.  Personally, I find these movies to be on par with the Prime timeline movies.  The big problem is that what we, THE FANS, want...is a series.  We want something that will take its time over a season rather than having to cram plot and exposition down our throats in 2 hours.  I think there needs to be an animated series(either traditionally or CGI) set during the new timeline's 5 year mission.  I also think there should be a series based on the Kelvin's adventures during the Prime timeline.

Finally...am I the only one that's glad that they didn't kill off Khan?  I really hate when movies introduce a compelling villain and then kill him/her by the end.  Good example, Jack Nicholson's Joker in the 1989 Batman.

[Darkthunder]

I don't think one should be labelled "not a real Trekkie" for liking these movies. My friends who are also Trek fans have all liked them. That doesn't make us any less Trekkies. Personally, I find these movies to be on par with the Prime timeline movies. The big problem is that what we, THE FANS, want...is a series. We want something that will take its time over a season rather than having to cram plot and exposition down our throats in 2 hours. I think there needs to be an animated series(either traditionally or CGI) set during the new timeline's 5 year mission. I also think there should be a series based on the Kelvin's adventures during the Prime timeline.

Couldn't have said it better, cookied.

While I definitely enjoyed both the 2009 movie, and Into Darkness, I feel they were "very good movies", but not necessarily "very good Trek". But if you examine closely, the previous 10 movies, none of them have been particularly "good Trek". Trek is best suited on the television screens, where you can flesh out the character arcs over time. Action is secondary on television. In a 2 hour movie, it's pretty much the whole enchilada.

Star Trek Insurrection gets a lot of flak as well (I liked the movie), but I'd claim that it probably was among the most "Trek" of the original 10 movies. Despite the character flaws of Picard, or the unneeded humor from Data ("Have you noticed how your boobs have..."), it dealt with the very kind of issues Trek did so well during the shows; A relevant social issue (in this case, the forced displacement of a minority, in favor of the majority). The United States have been great on the forced location of other cultures in the past (such as the Native Americans), so I can understand why being reminded to such atrocities via a movie allegory, could be upsetting. People don't want to be reminded about the bad things of their past.

Likewise, Into Darkness dealt with a VERY pressing issue which we deal with today: Terrorism. I thought it played out rather well, with Khan "the terrorist", rather than Khan "the genocidal madman". Khan's motivations in Into Darkness were alot stronger than the Wrath of Khan version. And if you plan to bash the movie for "rehashing" Trek, i'd more of a rehash on Space Seed, and less on Wrath of Khan.

[Shadowknight1]

Star Trek Insurrection gets a lot of flak as well (I liked the movie), but I'd claim that it probably was among the most "Trek" of the original 10 movies. Despite the character flaws of Picard, or the unneeded humor from Data ("Have you noticed how your boobs have..."), it dealt with the very kind of issues Trek did so well during the shows; A relevant social issue (in this case, the forced displacement of a minority, in favor of the majority). The United States have been great on the forced location of other cultures in the past (such as the Native Americans), so I can understand why being reminded to such atrocities via a movie allegory, could be upsetting. People don't want to be reminded about the bad things of their past.

See, I used to not think Insurrection was that bad, but then I watched all of Next Gen and came across an episode where Picard was ordered to do this EXACT SAME THING.  He was ordered to uproot a group of Native Americans from this world because of the Cardies.  They didn't want to go.  They'd made the planet their home.  Did Picard say "Screw orders" and load up?  No.  He might have had some misgivings, but he was still set on carrying out his orders.  Insurrection makes it seem like he sides with the Baku because a)they're white people or b)he wants to **** Anij.

[eclipse74569]

more like a combination of TWOK and TOS novel "Dreadnaught!".  after all, JJ nodded to the author of Best Destiny in the first one, why not one of her other novels?  I see the "starfleet is full of loopy admirals" tradition is still in place.

what, you guys weren't expecting khan to get a rehash?  my first thought on seeing the screencap of him in the cell was 'i wonder if that's Khan?'

if you people are gonna start screaming the old chestnut about "nobody writes anything original anymore", I'm gonna start wishing I could dope slap people.  the guys that write this stuff are in their forties, and are writing their preferences.  that's why there's an eighties nostalgia wave going on, right now.  in ten years someone's gonna start getting nostalgic about Seinfeld and Animaniacs and everything nineties and turn it into movies.  for pete's sake, the Power Rangers are starting to evoke nostalgia.

Joshmaul: am I the only one that found 5 hilarious?!

Nebs: nah, they'll rehash the one with the whales, next! XD

Actually, I'm not mad that they went the Khan route.  I am sorry that my comment wasn't very clear.  I meant that I would have loved to see a new adventure of Kirk and crew, and that I hope that the next one would change that.  Into Darkness was a pretty good movie IMO I thoroughly enjoyed it!  Especially Spock losing his cool and going after Khan when Kirk dies, it shows that he still has to grip with his human side.  My wife has a new crush LOL.

Ugh, so sick of the Wrath of Khan "rip-off" claims.  Two scenes.  Just two.  And the dialog was totally different between Kirk and Spock except for ONE LINE.  Frankly, and I am going to get a LOT of flak for this...I think I like Cumberbatch's Khan better than Montalban's...at least Montalban in TWOK.  I'm gonna flat out say it, I hate the whole "I HAVE TO KILL KIRK" motivation Khan has in ST2.  In "Space Seed" and in Into Darkness, Khan is a charismatic, manipulative bastard, doing everything he can to further his own goals.  In ST2, he throws aside the lives of the people that have been at his side for decades just so he can get revenge on an aging, admittedly going senile, Starfleet Admiral.  Did it make for a good movie?  Yes.  But it also seemed to throw everything that Khan was in "Space Seed" out the airlock.

Also, I found Kirk's percussive maintenance of the warp core a lot more interesting than Spock pulling black shadows out of the dilithium chamber.  Seriously, one of you guys that knows the Trek-nology better than me, WTF was going ON in that scene?!

Oh, and I've seen a few complaints about Marcus flat out telling Kirk and Spock about Section 31, which is supposed to be highly classified way beyond what they'd be cleared for.  The answer to that was simple.  Marcus was sending Kirk and company to slaughter.  If Kirk had carried out Marcus's orders rather than deciding to capture Khan, he would've fired torpedoes at the Klingon homeworld.  His ship would've been stranded and a Klingon battle fleet would have obliterated the Enterprise, giving the perfect excuse for Marcus to begin full militarization of Starfleet, ala. Admiral Cartwright.

I don't think one should be labelled "not a real Trekkie" for liking these movies.  My friends who are also Trek fans have all liked them.  That doesn't make us any less Trekkies.  Personally, I find these movies to be on par with the Prime timeline movies.  The big problem is that what we, THE FANS, want...is a series.  We want something that will take its time over a season rather than having to cram plot and exposition down our throats in 2 hours.  I think there needs to be an animated series(either traditionally or CGI) set during the new timeline's 5 year mission.  I also think there should be a series based on the Kelvin's adventures during the Prime timeline.

Finally...am I the only one that's glad that they didn't kill off Khan?  I really hate when movies introduce a compelling villain and then kill him/her by the end.  Good example, Jack Nicholson's Joker in the 1989 Batman.

QFT!!!!!  My wife and I were actually discussing it, and she wants it to become a series lol

[nxadam1701]

@qft!!!!

 

Lmao

[captain_obvious]

@qft!!!!

 

Lmao

QFT Fail

[Bones]

... a good movie ...

[nxadam1701]

If it were a series it wouldn't survive passed the first season. It be a Stargate Universe fail.  

Adam