Star Trek Into Darkness - Images, Videos, Discussion, etc

[eclipse74569]

Here we go again.....

[Saquist]

Well I just got back from seeing this "Movie" and while certain aspects were entertaining I have to say that for the most part I was very unimpressed to be honest.  At times I kind of thought that I was watching a crappy remake of a combination of TOS episode "Space Seed" and TWOK.  I mean seriously, they even had to redo the scene with Kirk and Spock but with the roles reversed and Kirk dying instead of Spock???  WTF???  One would think that they could at least come up with an original story line and not use the same subject matter that was used in TWOK.  

Well without going into a big rant about it I'll just say that this one gets the thumbs down from me.  

My cousins know little about Trek but they saw it and said one thing.  "I don't know if I like.  It was fun though"  
I came out saying the exact same thing.  

To me the originality was the problem at the end...and jumping on a warp core didn't help either...


Additional:
I think as far as the "True Fan" is concerned there is essentially only two types of fanatics...
The Obsessed and will watch whatever it is no matter how bad or good the writing or acting.

The Faithful  Commonly known as the snob that doesn't give anything a try because nothing can do it better than the first....

I get both.  But it's just entertainment.  Mostly I see people cater to what they've had the most initial exposure with.  Kids growing up in the 2000's like Enterprise.  That was their Trek.  I liked Voyager and took a long while to warm up to DS9 and B5.  It's still hard to watch the older series but I still respect it.  Today's kids will see this Trek and swear upon it the status of best ever.  

I've always wanted alot more out of Trek.   It just sux that Rick Berman and JJ Abrams are who we got stuck with because both have undervalued the enormity of what Trek is and what it can do to inspire generation after generation.  At least Star Wars got it's Day of Greatness.  Trek hasn't seen it yet.  These films are likely the best they'll get but I hold out hope for a Timothy Zahn or Tom Clancy to give a Trek Movie Script a true Royal treatment that both inspires the mind and the heart.  I  want Nolan...(Christopher) on a Trek Film.  I think if we gave him just one film he'd blow it out of the park.  I've seen his other works.  I like Prestige...I saw that other film...Memento.  (I didn't like it) he's a great writer when he has the time but Hollywood turns everyone into a assembly line and it's getting disgusting.

I've never watched Seinfeld...but they did there Homage to Wrath of Khan.  They made it there own...I saw this the other day and I thought...wow I didn't see the ending coming...and yet it fits so well.
Well Done

[nxadam1701]

Nah but seriously, I hope we get more films, I hope we do get a series.

I've noticed JJ bashing is quite the sensitive topic here and in other forums so i wont be engaging any further up that stream. Let's all hope the next film is fantastic one that everyone can enjoy

Adam

[Shadowknight1]

As I've said, it's all about the whole "Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations" thing.  And at least this movie was allegorical.  We haven't gotten something like that out of Trek in a while.  Really hope some people will take Kirk's speech at the end to heart.

And Saquist, I do know at least one "snob" who refused to see the 2009 film, and I'm assuming he refuses to see Into Darkness as well.  My only true gripe with these movies(outside of nitpicky details) is how fast they move.  Which they kind of have little choice.  Only so much you can do in a two hour film, especially if you want to keep the attention of the audience.  Today's audience would walk out of Star Trek The Motion Picture.

BTW, read an interview with Bob Orci where he admitted that they were planning on DESTROYING the Enterprise in the 2009 film, but someone told them "NO THAT IS A BAD IDEA!"  Which it would have been.  I would have formed a lynch mob.

[Joshmaul]

Today's audience would walk out of Star Trek The Motion Picture.

Or 2001: A Space Odyssey, which is pretty much the same thing. Scenery porn and music. *chuckles*

[Bones]

I have kinda mixed feelings about this movie, I enjoyed it really but there were few details I didn't like but those were really minor things plot holes were bigger problems but even tho it is a solid Trek movie, now that I cought up with your comments guys, I think I'm fully agreed with all the positive comments

Khan plot was predictable to show up, since he first show up on screen I knew it isn't Harrison but Khan

Cast was great, I especially liked Bones and admiral Robocop

Now that JJ did the 5-years mission ending, it would be wise to go for a series as this is the perfect moment to start new ST series ;)

[Darkthunder]

Now that JJ did the 5-years mission ending, it would be wise to go for a series as this is the perfect moment to start new ST series ;)

In this, we are in full agreement. I understand the cast is contracted for 3 movies, but I think it would be better to alter the plan for the "3rd movie", and make a tv series instead. Sort-of reverse history of what happened to Phase 2 (which eventually evolved into The Motion Picture).

[King Class Scout]

what makes you guys think an author like Timothy Zhan would touch trek?  fans aren't the only snobs.  I think trek is too "soft" for hard fi writers, and too "hard" for soft fi writers.  If we could get someone in like Diane Duane, that'd be ideal.  besides, I think JJ's hauling Zhan in for when he takes over the Star Wars franchise.

ShadowKnight has a point, though.  they'd walk out of 2001 and the cut down version of TMP for being too slow paced.

[Joshmaul]

they'd walk out of 2001 and the cut down version of TMP for being too slow paced.

When 2001 came out in 1968, that is exactly what they did. I think it was Rock Hudson who said something along the lines of "what the hell is this shit?"

[Saquist]

what makes you guys think an author like Timothy Zhan would touch trek?  fans aren't the only snobs.  I think trek is too "soft" for hard fi writers, and too "hard" for soft fi writers.  If we could get someone in like Diane Duane, that'd be ideal.  besides, I think JJ's hauling Zhan in for when he takes over the Star Wars franchise.

ShadowKnight has a point, though.  they'd walk out of 2001 and the cut down version of TMP for being too slow paced.

Abrams has already said it's "unlikely" he's doing the third movie for Trek.  It's just like Bryan Singer.  They take the hottest seat in the house it's not about following through or doing a good job, it's always about the money and that's why they know they can't keep them.  Paramount went for Abrams because he was cheap and little known.  He'd done TV series and a couple of films.  Now Star Trek has boosted his carrier.  His numbers are hiting Michael Bay status.

Paramount was drafting a new quarterback in other words, But CBS wasn't on board.  He wanted absolute control.  I think he'll get that with Star Wars because I think he wants a piece of the merchandising and CBS said no to anything that took older products off the shelf.  But JJ took his time with these two movies and it doesn't show in end result.  He took 4 years to create both movies for a total of 8 yeers and it's because he wasn't fully invested in Trek.  He put it off to do other projects like Super 8 and the Monster Movie. 

I don't understand that.  Trek was going to launch his career and he treated it likea freaking step child.
He knew he could struggle that much.  They would have made more money if he hadn't waited so long and plot Trek down between Man of Steel and Ironman 3.  But now the stakes are higher.  We've see if he does the same with Star Wars.

In the mean time I think Michael Bay could now reasonbly take over this style of Trek.
Heres some thoughts about the 50th anniversary of Trek and the 3rd Movie.
http://news.moviefone.com/2013/05/22/star-trek-13-movie_n_3320912.html

[Tuskin38]

Universe was awesome. I was sad when it was cancelled.

[Bones]

Universe was awesome. I was sad when it was cancelled.

Quite honestly, it was the only SG series I really loved I was really mad at syfy they cancelled it ...

[nxadam1701]

SG1 was the best, Atlantis was ehhh and Universe was even more ehhh.
I miss SG1 but we can complain. It lasted longer than most.

Adam

[King Class Scout]

next time, Saquist, put your metaphores in the OTHER football's terms.  these are europeans we're in with, and nobody understands what american football IS, even though the fans do the exact same thing in the exact same way (except rioting  ).

Michael Bay??!  are you CRAZY?!


he'd just replace the lens flares with explosions and produce the same thing we just saw!  people are already complaining it was too Action-Movie-ey. *sigh* you either find an action movie type director, or someone who produces dry dramas for PBS or the BBC (PBS is the same thing as the Beeb, but you pay the licencing fee 3 times a year, instead XD).  mabey we should make a director contemplation thread for the next one?

[Joshmaul]

Michael Bay??!  are you CRAZY?!


he'd just replace the lens flares with explosions and produce the same thing we just saw!

MA-BA-SLOSIONS!!!! *ahem* Sorry. Channelling Seth Green.

[FarShot]

Comparing JJ to Michael Bay is a bit much.  ID had very clever character moments and a nice allegory.  I don't think Michael Bay can say the same for any single one of his movies.  There's a reason why 9 out of 10 critics love the new Star Trek but most universally deride anything Michael Bay.

[Shadowknight1]

I have kinda mixed feelings about this movie, I enjoyed it really but there were few details I didn't like but those were really minor things plot holes were bigger problems but even tho it is a solid Trek movie, now that I cought up with your comments guys, I think I'm fully agreed with all the positive comments

Khan plot was predictable to show up, since he first show up on screen I knew it isn't Harrison but Khan

Cast was great, I especially liked Bones and admiral Robocop

Now that JJ did the 5-years mission ending, it would be wise to go for a series as this is the perfect moment to start new ST series ;)

Well, I actually read something with Orci about why they chose Khan, and I agree with their reasoning.  If they didn't do it, people would keep expecting them to do so, so they felt they needed to get him out of the way.

JJ will still be INVOLVED with Trek 3.  It's just unlikely he'll be directing since I doubt he can do both Trek and Wars at the same time.  Though, with his energy from what I've seen, it might be possible.

[ShaunKL]

Brad Bird pull a Mission Impossible 4 with Star Trek XIII maybe.

*snicker*  I bet Jonathan Frakes could do it.

[nxadam1701]

9 out of 10 critics. Lmfao. These are the people that said. Cabin in the Woods was a hit and the Fast and Furious "13 " is the bomb. Lol. No one can take any of them seriously. Everyone needs to watch it for themselves and make their own judgements. Personally the only thing we can all agree on is at least someone is keeping it alive even if it is on life support with a feeding tube at least it's on the screen and hopeful never dies out.

Adam

[Shadowknight1]

Brad Bird pull a Mission Impossible 4 with Star Trek XIII maybe.

*snicker*  I bet Jonathan Frakes could do it.

Well, without Berman over his shoulder, he might pull it off.  Just cause Insurrection sucked balls doesn't mean he's a bad director.  He DID do First Contact after all.