Star Trek Into Darkness - Images, Videos, Discussion, etc

[Saquist]

A brutal breakdown of Into Darkness by RedLetter Media

[davies78]

Think it is safe to say they will do a third movie.
http://www.startrek.com/article/stid-tops-international-box-office-gross-of-star-trek-2009

[Shadowknight1]

Anyone have the novelization?  Apparently(according to TV Tropes) it has McCoy giving a reason to Dr Marcus why they can't just crack open another cryo-tube and let Spock break Khan's head open.

[captain_obvious]

Anyone have the novelization? 

They had enough plot for a novelization?!

[Shadowknight1]

They had enough plot for a novelization?!

Guess I should've known better...

[FarShot]

Can't even take a stroll without some troll setting up some nice bait for an Abrams flamewar.

Gene would roll in his grave if he believed in an afterlife where he could watch his petty fanbois squabble after his fictional properties.

[captain_obvious]

Guess I should've known better...

 But no really, they did a novelization?

Can't even take a stroll without some troll setting up some nice bait for an Abrams flamewar.

Gene would roll in his grave if he believed in an afterlife where he could watch his petty fanbois squabble after his fictional properties.

It's called a joke. I'm quite sure they had those in the 60's as well

[Shadowknight1]

Yes captain_obvious(and your name has never felt more fitting lol), they did.  By Alan Dean Foster, who did the novelization for the last movie too.  There's even an audio-book version read by Alice Eve.

[captain_obvious]

Yes captain_obvious(and your name has never felt more fitting lol)

It only took 10 years for it to happen!

  By Alan Dean Foster, who did the novelization for the last movie too.  There's even an audio-book version read by Alice Eve.

I thought the novelizations stopped years ago with the release of insurrection.  That's the last one I ever heard of or saw anyway. 

[Shadowknight1]

It only took 10 years for it to happen! :DI thought the novelizations stopped years ago with the release of insurrection.  That's the last one I ever heard of or saw anyway. 

Nope, Nemesis had one too I believe.

[Nebula]

Novelizations

Based upon movies

    Star Trek: The Motion Picture, (Pocket Books #1) (Gene Roddenberry)
    Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan (Pocket Books #7; Duty, Honor, Redemption ? Book 1) (Vonda N. McIntyre)
    Star Trek III: The Search for Spock (Pocket Books #17; Duty, Honor, Redemption ? Book 2) (Vonda N. McIntyre)
    Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home (Duty, Honor, Redemption ? Book 3) (Vonda N. McIntyre), 1986
    Star Trek V: The Final Frontier (J. M. Dillard), 1989
    Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country (J. M. Dillard), 1991
    Star Trek Generations (J. M. Dillard), 1994
    Star Trek: First Contact (J. M. Dillard), 1996
    Star Trek: Insurrection (J. M. Dillard), 1998
    Star Trek Nemesis (J. M. Dillard), 2002
    Star Trek (Alan Dean Foster), 2009
    Star Trek Into Darkness (Alan Dean Foster), 2013

[Saquist]

It breaks my heart to see Alan Dean Foster (a serious and extremely talented author, the Grand Master himself) attached to Abrams Trek...

...I pray He added a plot.

[Darkthunder]

Into Darkness had a plot. It was actually a similar plot to Wrath of Khan, only in reverse. In "Wrath of Khan", Khan wanted vengeance on Kirk. In "Into Darkness", Kirk wanted vengeance on Khan. Now with "Wrath of Khan", it wasn't as shocking given that Khan was overall a very bad guy. But when it comes to Kirk wanting the same, it's a bit more shocking, when you consider he's supposed to be a Starfleet officer. Guided by certain principles and morals. The Federation doesn't execute people for instance. And they certainly don't go around killing people they don't like.

Now, can we soon drop the "JJ Abrams" hatred? It's been going on for 5 years now, it's getting rather old.

[Erk]

"But when it comes to Kirk wanting the same, it's a bit more shocking, when you consider he's supposed to be a Starfleet officer. Guided by certain principles and morals. The Federation doesn't execute people for instance. And they certainly don't go around killing people they don't like."

What I really like about Into Darkness, is how it was similar to "Arena". Kirk wanted to hunt down and the destroy the enemy ship for massacring a Federation Outpost. He didn't know who they were, or why they attacked, but he was determined to destroy them no matter what. And Spock, as he did in Into Darkness, objected to Kirk's orders and behaviors, stating that they were not executioners. There are a lot of similarities to the show that people seem to over look because they regard the new movies as "shallow action flicks" but I can assure you that is far from the truth. Anyways, I dont mean to throw wood on the fire, but it annoys me when so many key Trek elements are in the new movies, and many overlook them.

[Saquist]

Into Darkness had a plot. It was actually a similar plot to Wrath of Khan, only in reverse. In "Wrath of Khan", Khan wanted vengeance on Kirk. In "Into Darkness", Kirk wanted vengeance on Khan. Now with "Wrath of Khan", it wasn't as shocking given that Khan was overall a very bad guy. But when it comes to Kirk wanting the same, it's a bit more shocking, when you consider he's supposed to be a Starfleet officer. Guided by certain principles and morals. The Federation doesn't execute people for instance. And they certainly don't go around killing people they don't like.

Now, can we soon drop the "JJ Abrams" hatred? It's been going on for 5 years now, it's getting rather old.

If you're, talking to me DarkThunder, I don't have a particular hatred or even dislike for Abrams Trek.  What I do dislike is bad writing that is certainly Abrams Trek but you're wrong on Wrath of Khan and Into Darkness having the same plot.  I don't know if this is said to give the film "a leg to stand on", or if people actually see the same plot. (I only see the same characters)  My complaint was about a plot poor movie was specifically directed toward 2009 Star Trek. I mean do we really comment on these things just for  entertainment of moderators and other members? 

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TWoK was based on previous existing history between the antagonist and the protagonist.  The entire movie was about revenge once Khan was introduced.  Into Darkness (a name which I cannot apply to any particular Plot-point" was a about a Terrorist from the past seeking his People's Survival.  This was more than a sound plot than Wrath of Khan but it's still about execution.  The Wrath of Khan was also about execution but because it's plot was SO simple they spent the movie on power themes, AGING, LIFE, DEATH, SACRIFICE & LOSS.  The competent writing blended with these themes to make a better than average film.

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I've been apart of forums for long time.  The one thing I don't understand about them is this attitude that a good discussion must be a "love fest."  That's not to imply overly positive, that's to imply a lack of tolerance for even an objective criticism of a film or TV show.  This version of Trek is Popcorn Style filming, heavy on action, comedy and fun.  It is what it is.  But it's not serious writing and Alan Dean Foster is a SERIOUS Writer...

Dude...he's a GrandMASTER author...
Have you ever read his Trek stories?
I would be interested in reading his version just to see if he can make up for the deficiencies in the films.

[captain_obvious]

Can't even take a stroll without some troll setting up some nice bait for an Abrams flamewar.

Oh god what have I done...

[FarShot]

I typed up a huge ass reply, but fuck it I'm tired of arguing against hard-headedness and hypocrisy.

[Shadowknight1]

Oh god what have I done...

What you had to do.  What you always do.  Turn a polite discussion into a flamewar.

[Nebula]

do I need to lock this thread for 24 hours?

[captain_obvious]

What you had to do.  What you always do.  Turn a polite discussion into a flamewar.

Not my doing, so please ease off the accusations.