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Re: Trek XII - Images, Videos, Discussion, ect... (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #860 on: August 30, 2013, 01:46:02 PM »
If you're getting the standard Blu-Ray release you will only have less than half of all extra features released. Paramount thought it wise to force us to get no less than four seperate copies to get the complete collection!!! Some of which only available via download. Specifics are below.

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It turns out that more extras were created for this release ? more featurettes and even an audio commentary with director J.J. Abrams and members of his crew.  None of it is available on the wide release Blu-ray or Blu-ray 3D SKUs.  The commentary can only be found as an iTunes ?extra? download.  And those extra featurettes?  Some are on a Target bonus disc.  Some are on a Best Buy bonus disc.  And some are only available via CinemaNow and VUDU downloads.

That?s right: More than half of the special features created for Star Trek Into Darkness were used by Paramount?s marketing team as retailer exclusives.

You know how I found out? Readers told me. Several readers e-mailed me talking about the iTunes commentary and something about its shifting aspect ratios, and all I could think was: ?Wait, there?s a freakin? audio commentary somewhere? and it?s not on the Blu-ray?!?

http://trekmovie.com/2013/08/28/into-darkness-blu-ray-where-are-all-the-bonus-features/

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Target: ?Collector?s Set with Special Features Bonus Disc? Exclusively at Target, a collector?s set that includes unique package art and a Blu-ray bonus disc with over 70 minutes of special features including 30 minutes of exclusive content.

Best Buy: ?30 Minutes of Exclusive Never-Before-Seen Content? A Best Buy Exclusive, delve into the creation of the film?s unique alien creatures, get a first-hand look at one of the locations used for the U.S.S. Enterprise?s Engine Room and more.

Walmart: ?Limited Edition Gift Set with Steelbook & Villain Ship? Only at Walmart, this Limited Edition Gift Set includes the Blu-ray Combo Pack in collectible Steelbook packaging and a replica of the U.S.S. Vengeance(Hot Wheels).

Amazon: Starfleet Phaser Limited Edition Gift Set An Amazon exclusive, the Starfleet Phaser Gift Set includes a 1:1 scale authentic Starfleet phaser replica, gloss black display stand, brass plaque and the Blu-ray 3D Combo Pack.

http://trekmovie.com/2013/08/29/stid-tidbits-alternate-klingon-makeup-ideas-and-more/
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Re: Trek XII - Images, Videos, Discussion, ect... (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #861 on: August 31, 2013, 02:03:03 AM »
God I freaking hate Paramount for this idea.  It's no less than evil of them to do this.  It doesn't even make sense from a marketing standpoint.

...Pre-ordered the Amazon version months ago.  I'll post pics of the phaser next to the previous phaser replica they released.

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Re: Trek XII - Images, Videos, Discussion, ect... (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #862 on: August 31, 2013, 11:44:01 AM »
Trek Core Retail release review. screen caps through out the review, plus a bunch at the bottom of the page.

http://trekcore.com/blog/2013/08/review-star-trek-into-darkness-retail-blu-ray/

According an 'anonymous' source, it might not have been solely Paramount's fault. Bad Robot made all the BTS features and had final say and what happened with them.

This image here, look at the size of the Corridor, really puts the 'official' size of the Enterprise at a wack

http://trekcore.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/stid52.jpg

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Re: Trek XII - Images, Videos, Discussion, ect... (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #863 on: August 31, 2013, 12:17:21 PM »
The "official" size is plain and utter BS. We all knew that. That image just confirms what we always suspected;

The nuEnterprise saucer is virtually the same size as the TMP Enterprise. The image confirms that the saucer "edge" has 2 decks, just like the TMP version.
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Re: Trek XII - Images, Videos, Discussion, ect... (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #864 on: August 31, 2013, 01:13:33 PM »
I was looking at caps of the enterprise at the end of Into Darkness, really the only major change is the Impulse drive, I see nothing else.

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Re: Trek XII - Images, Videos, Discussion, ect... (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #865 on: August 31, 2013, 03:52:17 PM »
Warp fins.

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Re: Trek XII - Images, Videos, Discussion, ect... (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #866 on: August 31, 2013, 09:47:40 PM »
Warp fins.

Whats different about them?

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Re: Trek XII - Images, Videos, Discussion, ect... (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #867 on: August 31, 2013, 10:11:26 PM »
4 slidey bits as opposed to 3.

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Re: Trek XII - Images, Videos, Discussion, ect... (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #868 on: September 01, 2013, 02:33:37 PM »
Plus there's some small lighting detail changes (extra lights on top of the nacelle 'hoods' etc) and possibly a change in the design of the phaser turrets.


The "official" size is plain and utter BS. We all knew that. That image just confirms what we always suspected;

The nuEnterprise saucer is virtually the same size as the TMP Enterprise. The image confirms that the saucer "edge" has 2 decks, just like the TMP version.


You're suggesting that the people that made the CG model (stated to be built at 1:1 scale in the 3d environment) are wrong and don't know how big their own model is?

If so, explain the cavernous shuttle bay + engineering sections, tall multi deck atrium area under the top dome and the bridge + view screen. They, and their visible external detail, simply don't fit the TMP size. Official size is official.

There's a thread at Trek BBS which discusses this with boat loads of visual evidence (including said corridor shot) much better than I can be bothered to do.

Most likely, from my view as a compositor, the lens distortion applied to the shot is playing a part in the perceived discrepancy; towards the back of the damaged area it clearly seems that like there could be four of those decks fitted into the saucer thickness. Or three with plenty more space between them.

Or this is simply another case of the vfx team 'cheating' the details a little bit so that the audience can clearly and quickly recognise what the director wants them to see, in this case the power going out and emergency lighting coming on.



Disappointed at the bonus feature situation, however shafting the customer seems to be the way most things are going, especially in dvd and games. I'm happily paying to be able to watch the film again, but there's no way I'm buying the same thing multiple times to get all the bonus stuff. I'll stick with the steel book from play.com.

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Re: Trek XII - Images, Videos, Discussion, ect... (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #869 on: September 01, 2013, 02:53:06 PM »
Everything justifying the official size has to do with the CGI scaling/visual appearance.  That is it.  She was designed to be 366 meters long, and the CGI guys decided to make it bigger for a grander feel.

If we use that same justification for other canon things, then:
The Defiant is 30 meters long, with barely a deck, when compared to the Enterprise E.
The Enterprise D underwent a massive refit after a couple of years to make each armor panel stick out and add a second deck to the saucer rim.
The Enterprise A underwent a massive refit to squeeze in a couple dozen extra decks.
The Enterprise B has 30-odd decks and is as large as a Sovereign class.
Deep Space Nine has 20 meter tall Promenade windows.

Visual evidence/CGI model/studio model scaling has always been completely unreliable for determining size.

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Re: Trek XII - Images, Videos, Discussion, ect... (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #870 on: September 01, 2013, 03:03:33 PM »
Everything justifying the official size has to do with the CGI scaling/visual appearance.  That is it.  She was designed to be 366 meters long, and the CGI guys decided to make it bigger for a grander feel.

If we use that same justification for other canon things, then:
The Defiant is 30 meters long, with barely a deck, when compared to the Enterprise E.
The Enterprise D underwent a massive refit after a couple of years to make each armor panel stick out and add a second deck to the saucer rim.
The Enterprise A underwent a massive refit to squeeze in a couple dozen extra decks.
The Enterprise B has 30-odd decks and is as large as a Sovereign class.
Deep Space Nine has 20 meter tall Promenade windows.

Visual evidence/CGI model/studio model scaling has always been completely unreliable for determining size.


Which is exactly why you can't take a single questionable shot of damage as un-deniable proof she's TMP size. This Enterprise was designed to be 725.35 meters. It fluctuated a bit in the early development of the film sure, but that's the figure they settled on and finished the design then built her to. End of.

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Re: Trek XII - Images, Videos, Discussion, ect... (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #871 on: September 01, 2013, 03:08:46 PM »
No, Ryan Church designed her to be 366 meters.  ILM upscaled it.  That's a big difference from "designed to be 725.35".

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Re: Trek XII - Images, Videos, Discussion, ect... (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #872 on: September 01, 2013, 03:32:48 PM »
There's a thread at Trek BBS which discusses this with boat loads of visual evidence (including said corridor shot) much better than I can be bothered to do.

Do you have a link to said thread? I would like to read it.

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Re: Trek XII - Images, Videos, Discussion, ect... (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #873 on: September 01, 2013, 04:04:15 PM »
No, Ryan Church designed her to be 366 meters.  ILM upscaled it.  That's a big difference from "designed to be 725.35".

He designed the general look of the ship yes. Not the scale. Designs change a lot while they're being developed, this is normal. They don't just take the first idea that comes to mind and roll with it, they go through many revisions based on what's wanted/needed before there is a final design. The scale was one of those changes and the design and details were revised to reflect that choice. In fact at one point it was 1000+ meters.
They couldn't just make a smaller scaled model and enlarge it, everything has to be planned, the scale and associated detailing were decided and designed before the final model was then built and detailed at 1:1 scale based on that final design - 725.35m. The size officially stated multiple times.


A lot of the design variations had orange glowing bussards before blue was chosen for the final design. Are you going to tell me the ship has orange bussards?
Some of them also had lots of windows much like the Enterprise D.

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Re: Trek XII - Images, Videos, Discussion, ect... (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #874 on: September 01, 2013, 04:07:39 PM »
Do you have a link to said thread? I would like to read it.

There's a lot of pages in it, may take you a while. But most agree she's 725.35. The end of the thread seems to have developed into more of a series science argument :/

http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=211333

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Re: Trek XII - Images, Videos, Discussion, ect... (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #876 on: September 01, 2013, 04:31:00 PM »
and possibly a change in the design of the phaser turrets.

Oh yeah, you're right, they're 'holes' instead of 'balls'



Actually, they remind me of the Dual Beam Array icons from STO


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Re: Trek XII - Images, Videos, Discussion, ect... (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #877 on: September 01, 2013, 04:35:30 PM »
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Yes, I disagree with the "official" size.

As you may or may not be aware, the 2009 movie contradicts itself in it's own sizing. You correctly pointed out the "huge shuttlebay scene" when Pike, Kirk, Sulu and Engineer Olsen disembark. But again, the -look- of the saucer makes it appear to be close to the same size as the TMP Connie, which used a saucer of a very similar design (including it's 2 rows of windows). Now unless you're gonna claim that the saucer has entire decks with ZERO windows, besides the 2 obvious decks, i'll just conclude that we'll have to agree to disagree.
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Re: Trek XII - Images, Videos, Discussion, ect... (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #878 on: September 01, 2013, 06:10:09 PM »
I think there's one consistency between jjtrek and jjtrek2.
The JJprise is ugly in both.
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Re: Trek XII - Images, Videos, Discussion, ect... (WARNING: SPOILERS)
« Reply #879 on: September 01, 2013, 06:18:23 PM »
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