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BC Forums => BC Bridge Modding => Topic started by: ChronowerX_GT on January 09, 2008, 01:10:52 PM
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Hi, those of you that have been following my S31 Century Class will have seen this already. This is my retexture of 3rd Era's Generations Galaxy bridge for use with the Century class (or maybe an akira or an updated Galaxy???) So far the bridge has been well recieved by the people i've shown it to. This bridge has a very different colour scheme than the origional. The most noticeable difference being the LCARS, carpets and doors. It also has new wall colours though. Some of the stations at the rear have been moved to the side stations to make room for the MSD and extra engineering stations. I've tried my best to keep it cannon to other ST bridges i've seen making it (IMO) a believeable bridge for the 2380's. It's only about 60% done because there's a lot of bugs at the moment. If you want the full information then follow the link to my website. http://www.freewebs.com/lukerobinproductions/galaxybridgeretexture.htm
This ship is intended to be used with my S31 Century class. I will be released in a pack with the ship, shuttles and escape pods. I will not be releasing this as a stand alone mod.
(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w284/lukerobin/ScreenShot053.jpg)
(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w284/lukerobin/ScreenShot052.jpg)
(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w284/lukerobin/ScreenShot054.jpg)
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I like it!
My only complaint is the tan LCARS. We saw a push away from that in DS9 and Voyager, with white being used in lieu of the tan.
And it looks great for a ship of the 2380's. Remember that Starfleet uses interchangable bridge modules, so why retire a great bridge?
Another proof of concept that every ship does not need a unique bridge. Generic bridges ftw! :D *Is reminded to get the hell back on track*
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actually barihawk, the lcars are dead on. we saw a push away from the tan in DS9 and Voyager, but then a new tan came back...the one we're seeing now..in nemesis.
since this is post nemesis, it's right, and fits well with the new excalibur bridge that came out. well done guys. if you need another team member on the texturing end, PM me. i just got CS3 and am very excited to test it out.
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What If we could start here whole new lcars colors scheme, maybe something like adm. Janeway had in her shuttle (grey, faint/bright green, purple/pink and white) it would be cool transfer from nem to end game lcars.
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I like it. But I don't think it would look quite right with this bridge since it's got quite a blue feel to it.
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oh I forgot to mention about this, those nem lcars, blue carpet and light walls reminds me of a bridge made long time ago, it was a retexture of the stock galaxy bridge called uss coyaver...
and that's ok about it cuz my fav color is blue :D
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Lol well that's good to hear
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What If we could start here whole new lcars colors scheme, maybe something like adm. Janeway had in her shuttle (grey, faint/bright green, purple/pink and white) it would be cool transfer from nem to end game lcars.
it just looks like you've played with the hue lol
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would that really be the worst thing in the world if true? If we adjusted the hue for all the Lcars the same amount, we'd have an entirely new lcars color scheme, which would be completely uniform in style.
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would that really be the worst thing in the world if true? If we adjusted the hue for all the Lcars the same amount, we'd have an entirely new lcars color scheme, which would be completely uniform in style.
Oh come on, dont you want to challenge yourself at all? People never learn unless they give themselves new challenges.
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true enough. Okay we'll start from scratch then.
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I love the idea of the "End Game" lcars, it would definitely set this bridge apart from others.
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true enough. Okay we'll start from scratch then.
It's not too hard. Of course, it's a retexture so I don't see what the big deal about recoloring the original panels is, as long as permission and credit is given.
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It's not too hard. Of course, it's a retexture so I don't see what the big deal about recoloring the original panels is, as long as permission and credit is given.
The "big deal" has to do with actually doing work yourself. Simply changing hues doesnt make it "your work". If you make it from scratch to resemble the original, that's a whole other ballgame.
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I didn't see him claiming it as his own work, just providing a quick demonstration of what Endgame LCARS look like.
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I didn't see him claiming it as his own work, just providing a quick demonstration of what Endgame LCARS look like.
I never said that either. I was simply stating a fact that "simply" changing hue values on pre-existing textures doesn't make it "your work". If you make a texture from scratch made to resemble an existing texture, its considered "your work". Even if you try to replicate someone else's textures down to the pixel, textures can still be examined side-by-side to show similarities/differences. If you change the hue value of a couple of colors, the pixels will remain IDENTICAL, which they wouldn't if its a completely new texture made to resemble an original. Only difference in the "hue altered" texture is the colors.
Comprende, essay? :P
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:? Like Barihawk said, It was just a 5-min recoloring of the original LCARS that came from Nem sov bridge, I just wanted to show what I mean ... just incase someone didn't watch endgame, I watched it carefully and Nemesis, DS9 or any of the existing LCARS wouldn't fit the era cuz they have different styling, something like a gap betwwen TNG and relativity bridge LCARS...
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true enough. Okay we'll start from scratch then.
Well thats up to you, but you are going from one extreme to the other.
Dr_McCoy1701A : Well darkthunder is entitled to his feelings but personally I dont have a massive problem with people using those lcars as long as credit is given and permission has been gained before release. My only point was that just adjusting the hue always leaves things looking a bit disappointing.
Now then I think we have been off topic for long enough, the next post in this thread will belong to lukerobin.
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Wow a lot of posts since last night lol. I must admit that i do play around with the hue myself but I always in the end try to build upon the existing textures with new details to make them my own. I'm sorry if i'm not posting any new pictures but as some of you may know my desktop's decided to break so i'm using my laptop that's crap at gaming. But any suggestions on how I can improve it will be appreciated
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I personally think she looks great right now. Having the wrong textures with the wrong LCARS coloring can make a bridge look bad. But your textures and LCARS right now fit well together.
My only problem with it is the Pre-TNG-like tan coloring. If it was a different shade, even if uncannon, it would look a little nicer. Maybe use Goldenrod(denberry)?
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Do you mean the LCARS on the stations on the side of the bridge facing the front? If so i havn't finished all the LCARS off yet. A lot of the small displays still have the origional LCARS on them but I will get round to changing them
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I meant all ones on the back. All the panels visible in those screens have the tan. Goldenrod would make it sharper.
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Two extremly stupid questions. Firstly what is tan? (i'm guessing it's the light brown colours on the LCARS) Secondly what is Goldenrod?
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well goldenrod is ... golden :D and tan is light brown, I think it would look great with bright white also but that depends on what color you'll like better
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The tan is the base color for your LCARS (the most commonly used) which was the color used for early TNG (Seasons 1-3 and pre-TNG vessels like the Akira)
Goldenrod is the baseline color for the LCARS of my Pegasus bridge in my signature, and was used a lot in DS9 and VOY.
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off topic, but akira= pre tng??? oO
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Your right. The golden rod would look better on this bridge, i'll change it to that as soon as possible. I was talking with bsilver and we was thinking that an Excalibur bridge might be a better idea. Whatever way I can still finish off the rest off the bridge before I replace the diagrams of with either century or galaxy. If anyone has any other suggestions please post here or pm me
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off topic, but akira= pre tng??? oO
Registries on all visible Akira's predate the U.S.S. Galaxy. Widely accepted that production on the Akira began in the 2350's. And from the design, it fits the period (especially the nacelles, which look like a cross between Ambassador and Galaxy).
And after watching Generations, I feel the LCARS on the original bridge are a little off. I might just do a little recolor (needs more goldenrod! :D).
EDIT: Just a question. Are the LCARS for the Galaxy Refit used from the Galaxy stock bridge? I can't find any LCARS panels in the Galaxyrefit folder.
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Yeah I also don't think the Akira had first appearance somewhere in pre-TNG/TNG but in FC and DS9 so late TNG (but I can be wrong of course) which means tan is rather common base LCARS color even in DS9 (defiant), however tan dissappears almost totally in endgame
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I also think that the Prometheus bridge would be a good idea, if you make the bridge a different color than white.
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I don't know if this is even really relevant. But this is the bridge i see being the bridge of a Century Class starship. It was designed by a friend of mine named Mark Nguyen. it fits well with my idea that the bridge dome area of the ship is much bigger than just the bridge itself. There is a whole corridor that runs around it to the various surrounding rooms.
The Explorer2 bridge was partially inspired by Shik's Gaia design, with the forward consoles flanking the viewer and multiple levels, and partially by a system of waterfalls in a Japanese garden I was once at. I envision this one as a fleet combat kind of bridge, with a necessary Strategic Ops station for fleet coordination and communication. If there's one thing I find odd about this design, is that it's got waaaay too many angles. If it ever gets built, I'll have to remember to bring sandpaper...
My intention is to create this someday.
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wow. that looks extremely cool!
this with the century... jeesus.
really great design ;)
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My intention is to create this someday.
Where in the heck do you find time for this? I feel sorry for your wife. :lol:
I guess if DJ's going to take a stab at his own Century bridge, lukerobin could always change this beauty into a post-Nemesis Galaxy-class bridge. Perhaps, oh I don't know, the Venture?
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well, I did say someday.
It's a long time off.
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Sorry if i've not posted here in a while but I got a new PC the other day so expect some updates in the next few days
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Hey Guys. I have a small update. I've teamed up with lukerobin, and we've started a new production team, called Chronowerx Productions. Since all of our bridge projects thus far have been from future timelines, we thought this was appropriate.
So we've decided to take this project down a slightly different route. We've switched to using the Excalibur Bridge as a base for this retexture, and we're going with the color scheme from Voyager: Endgame's future timeline for the lcars. The retexture is still in it's infancy, but i'm attaching what we have so far.
Opinions?
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Damn. The Generations retexture was looking so promising aswell.
Ahwell, 'tis a good start but something about it strikes me as odd. I'm not sure what though.
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I don't think it's fair to say that we've changed to the bridge as this is all bsilver's own work. He should take the credit for it. I'm thinking of using my bridge for an akira or updated galaxy class. I'll try making a website soon so people can see what we're doing all in one place. If anyone wants to join then just PM me. We'll also be doing ship retextures/designs and hard points so anyone with any experience will be useful.
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As I was typing the last post Billz posted that the Generations bridge was looking promising so i've started a poll so you can decide what will look best. I can still continue work on my bridge and add the ship diagrams in last to suit what class it's for.
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pity with the galaxy bridge retexture...but I wish you much success with the new project....
I personally think the galaxy bridge is better for the century class....
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Well I'm gonna use what ever bridge gets the highest votes because I would like the public to decide on that. So if there is a perticular bridge you want then vote at the top of the page.
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I think the Excalibur works best with the Century-class since it is fairly futuristic (well, at least in Trek terms) while the Generations bridge would work a lot better as a post-Nemesis Galaxy-class bridge, as I have been subtly wink-winking and nudge-nudging about for a while.
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These LCARS looks really nice, tho shape is wrong but that's easy to change, colors are good but I would change those green colors on lights to something different, If you want some reference for LCARS check some previous posts, there are two pics of end game LCARS :)
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I hate to be mean, but that Excal bridge looks like a modern bowling alley with darklights.
See McCoy's post on page 2 for two screencaps from Endgame. Your LCARS are all the wrong hues, and the coloring of the bridge is just...trippy.
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In case you're too lazy to check previous posts :lol: here's what I mean
(http://bc-central.net/forums/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2574.0;attach=11857;image)
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Lol, 50/50 when I voted, anyways I think the excal bridge retexture holds promise, but the whole bridge in the "Endgame" color scheme is a little, unsettling.
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I <3 your generations retexture. :'( I dun wanna see it in the scrappy heap! :(
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Ok it's been a long time since i posted any new updates of the bridge so here they are. I changed the LCARS to a new colour (tan to golden rod) neatened up some of the LCARS and added a red alert sign on some of the side panels. You'll have to view the picture that's in red alert to see them. They flash on and off. I think they look quite cool when in a battle. Sorry for the big insert msd sign on the back LCARS but it's just a reminder to me :D
BTW i need to stop the poll soon so I can decide what bridge to use before I can make the fine alterations to mine. Voting ends wednesday so if there's one bridge you want then vote now!!!
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I've voted for yours because it fits better to a ship like the century class.
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Thanks :D
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I like it. I kinda don't know about the RED ALERT thing, but hey, I'd still download it.
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If you do carry on with the Generations retexture, are you going to change the rest of the LCARs textures or leave as they were when they were shipped with the original Generations bridge?
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I like it, got really nice style now :D keep it up
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Thanks Bones :D
If I don't use this on my S31 Century then I will keep the same colour scheme with the LCARS since they match the carpets more and look much more modern
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crap..i went away for a couple days and completely lost this battle...lol
i'm gonna keep workin on it anyway. no harm right?
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crap..i went away for a couple days and completely lost this battle...lol
i'm gonna keep workin on it anyway. no harm right?
yes please keep doing so!! there can never be enough bridge retextures, IMO...
especially with all the newest and latest bridges...
I like it. I kinda don't know about the RED ALERT thing, but hey, I'd still download it.
i feel the same...
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Ok Bsilver if you want I can keep the poll open till Friday so you have a chance to get back in the game? May the best man win :D Anyway whoever loses should still carry on with their bridge because i like both of them. Good luck :D
As thats two of you that don't like the red alert writing I might delete it. It will be in it's beta test stage pretty soon so i'll decide then when people try it in game.
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I think bsilvers bridge would look a lot better if the pink lcars were turned to purple.
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Yeah, I'm not too fond of the Red Alert text, either. Just seems a little out of place...
As already stated, too, I'll still download this. :)
Keep it up, man.
-Aeries.
ps. Even if this doesn't turn out to be a Century Class bridge, it's not too hard to change it over to a post-nemesis Galaxy Bridge. All that would really need to be changed is the MSD on the aft wall console. :) Actually, it might be cool to see this developed in that fashion, anyways. Would go along nicely with DJ's Galaxy and Valk. varient. And what about the remaining TNG LCARS? I haven't gone back to read previous posts yet, as I have only just enough time to type this before I'm out the door, but I think I remember seeing that some of those still remain? I might be wrong... :)
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pss. I remember one little nit-pick I have/had with the Generations Galaxy is the time between the console animations. Perhaps you've already dealt with this, too. Perhaps not. It's jsut bothered me so much that they only change every 13 or so seconds. :/ annoys the living tar out of me...
Anyways, I think once my Mithra's done, I'll try retexturing a bridge for her, too... you've given me some neat ideas with this. :D
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I mean't the LCARs that you havn't changed yet. Are you going to change them to the post-Nemesis style or keep them in the TNG style?
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Yeah about the TNG LCARS they'll go to the post nemesis lcars i just havn't got round to it yet I've only been focusing on the larger LCARS at the moment. I've also noticed the animations and it seems that the rear LCARS are the only ones that change. How do I actually add animation for the side and conn and reduce the time between animations for the rear. Also I have some quite cool LCARS animations but their in .AVI is there any video format that could be used on the consoles in the bridge?
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there's no way to put video on the lcars. you could add animations to the sides using bpcore, but if i were you i'd try to focus instead on getting rid of the back animations, though i dont know if that's possible either. it'll give you more freedom with map swapping at red alert.
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Well is there any way you can use .gif for some of the images on the bridge?
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simple answer no. tgas only
~Jb06
JLS
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Damn, that makes my life so much more difficult. Oh well i'll just have to make best use of what I've got. I wonder what files and formats excal will be using???
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DDS for the textures i believe.
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So I guess that means that BC mods won't work with excal?
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DARN! :(
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Hey guys what do ya think of my new sig. It's for mine and bsilvers new modding team ChronowerX Productions??? Anyone wanna join???
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So I guess that means that BC mods won't work with excal?
They will, you will just have to reformat your textures from .TGA to .DDS.
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Ah that doesn't sound so bad. What are the advantages of this new format?
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It's what all modern games use. .TGA is like from when Dinosaurs roamed the Earth.
.DDS also supports cool stuff like bumpmapping and more, so we can make CGI quality models and textures without having to "oven bake" them.
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DDS is short for direct draw surface. It has many advantages over TGA, most apparent of which are that it takes up a whole lot less video memory, and can automatically create mipmaps, which do wonders for FPS if used properly. It DOES NOT support bump mapping - bump maps don't work in real time, for that you have normal maps - and yes, dds format supports those as well.
Also, it's not exactly a new format, it's been around since directx7.
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Sounds good, hopefully excal should run smoother than BC at leas GFX wise.
As for my bridge. I'm going to work on increasing the resolution of the LCARS atm. The side consoles seemed blurred when in game. I want this bridge to be top quality when i'm finished.
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I wanna add some more animations into the bridge and increase the speed of them. How do I go about it??? I'm going into unknown territory.
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perhaps you should make a separate thread for that...
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Yeah I think i'll do that. Anyway i've just doubled the resolution on some of the consoles so it should be very clear now. I'll post some pictures in a couple of hours.
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Yeah I think i'll do that. Anyway i've just doubled the resolution on some of the consoles so it should be very clear now. I'll post some pictures in a couple of hours.
Doubling the resolution is not enough. It only blurs the image even more. You will have to rebuild it at the new resolution, which is what I am having to do with my bridge. You can use the Nebula back wall panels as a guide if you don't wish to do it from scratch. They are extremely high res.
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Oh yeah, i've rebuilt them they do look better atm. It's just the panels that face the roof are blurred because of the angle. Thanks for the offer anyway. If you have any Sovvy style LCARS though they would be very useful.
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Oh yeah, i've rebuilt them they do look better atm. It's just the panels that face the roof are blurred because of the angle. Thanks for the offer anyway. If you have any Sovvy style LCARS though they would be very useful.
Right now I only have TMP, sorry.
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Well here's a video showing the bridge and my ship. It's not very smooth but gives you some kind of feeling to what it is like. There's still lots of LCARS to do though. It's on the home page. Just scroll down. http://www.freewebs.com/lukerobinproductions/index.htm Sorry for the poor quality. I'll try to get a high quality version on the DIVX website as soon as possible
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Ok it's Friday and voting ends. It looks like I won :D but bsilver still should carry on with his bridge since it has a lot of potential. I am currently trying to get the light at the top to turn to blue when in red alert like in the Galaxy bridge in KM 1.0.
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Hey I need a little help with the bridge. I am trying to make the lights on the roof turn blue when in red alert like in the bridge with KM 1.0 Could anybody help me do it whilst I do the rest of the textures. Also I was thinking of adding reflections to the LCARS displays.
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If you add reflections to the displays; I have a few suggestions. One, please do not add the random bots into the reflections as the reflections on the LCARs may not match up with person actually sitting in the chair. Also, please make the reflections continuous. On the galaxy refit reflections retexture (thats a mouthful), each individual section of the LCARs had a different reflection persective and it ended up looking unnatural.
#Note: these are suggestions, not demands, no matter how demanding the tone may sound. :)#
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Sorry I havn't updated this for some time. I've had a lot on my hands. I was thinking of not using this as a century class bridge anymore and just use it as a Generic late 24th century bridge or just as a late Galaxy bridge. What do you's think?
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I personally, think.... its good either way.... I mean this is one of the coolest bridges ive seen in a LONG while! :)
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I think it would be ok, but if you can, press on with the Century class idea.
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Well I suppose I could do 3 varients. Century, Galaxy and Generic. There wouldn't be much editing involved. Just the MSD and diagrams. Come to think of it i dunno if I still have this bridge. My pen drive broke. Hopefully I backed it up on my HDD.
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Damn. The Generations retexture was looking so promising aswell.
Ahwell, 'tis a good start but something about it strikes me as odd. I'm not sure what though.
I know this is old news, but I think the issue with Bsilver's bridge is that the magenta and other purple shades border on overpowering, especially when we're so used to Starfleet LCARS and interiors using neutral or cool palettes. There may be 4-5 + colors present, nonetheless, they're a harmonious, tranquil combination. That one isn't so much. In fact, it reminds me of the Romulan control panel in the SFC series. . .
I'd like to see the Excalibur retexture as your S31 bridge. In fact, I think it makes a better Century bridge. If you do decide to go down that route, I suggest subduing the palette. A quality take on the Endgame LCARS will work.
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Hi Everyone...long time no see. I feel like i owe everyone an explanation, especially Lukerobin. I'm a student in college. This semester has been a real bitch..plain and simple..and i've had almost no time to work on things like this. Rest assured, my end of these projects is not dead, and will resume in May when this semester ends. Sorry to everyone who i left hanging. I have been reading everything has been said, and will take all of your suggestions into consideration when i resume my work.
See everyone in about a month!
bsilver2988
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Great, ChronowerX will still be here... even though we've done nothing :D