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BC Forums => BC Modding => Topic started by: ChronowerX_GT on March 19, 2008, 07:41:45 PM
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Some of you may remember a Section 31 Century class I was working on a couple of months back. Well I've decided to scrap that one and start again. I've almost finished the top texture (been working on it for the last 1 1/2 hours). What do you think? As you can see it follow a similar design to the first one but this is much neater. I made the hull black and added noise to it to give it a matallic effect and then overlaid the speculars on it and made then transparant. Also the armour is neater on this version. You'll notice that the big strips have been split up to make it smoother. There's still much work to be done on the rest of the ship and I need to tone down those alpha channels.
First pic is before, 2nd after. Remember the rest of the ship has had hardly anything done to it.
Oh yeah... it reminds me of a car but I dunno what one???
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Lookin' good. I can't wait too see what you do with it. She looks better this time around.
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Thanks, the trouble with the old one was that I was a noob at photoshop and the TGA files were a mess by the time i'd finished with them. I didn't save the PSD files to edit later so I was screwed. Also with the first version I just applied a filter to achieve the bulk of the textures. This time round i've replaced them which makes it a lot easier because the escape pods and windows are still neat and intact unlike the last one. It would have taken longer to fix the windows on the old one than starting from scratch.
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Look at how many times Aeries redid the Mithra. You'll do just fine.
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Looks better than the last one for sure. Maybe you'd do asylums connie for an ISS war connie.
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Second version looks alot better. Still not much of a fan of re-paiting existing Starfleet ships, and commissioning them as Section 31 ships :P
I think Section 31 if they had a fleet, they would more than likely be of their own designs. And if they re-allocated a bunch of existing Starfleet ships as their own, I doubt they'd change the hull color etc, in order to make them indistinguishable from the standard Starfleet :)
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holy!
I already liked your previous version.
this is amazing!!!
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Second version looks alot better. Still not much of a fan of re-paiting existing Starfleet ships, and commissioning them as Section 31 ships :P
I think Section 31 if they had a fleet, they would more than likely be of their own designs. And if they re-allocated a bunch of existing Starfleet ships as their own, I doubt they'd change the hull color etc, in order to make them indistinguishable from the standard Starfleet :)
Hmm I see what you mean but I like these designs because they're unique. I don't wanna retexture a ship and have it forgotton 2 months down the line or replaced.
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My point is: You can also be creative and make a new design entirely :P
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Actually, Lukerobin, they do have a decent point; if I was with Section 31, I'd be disenclined to use standard (or modified variants of) federation starships. What I could suggest is perhaps keep this as reference, textures & all, and build a fresh model of your own design from scratch. You have the skills, I think... ;)
Anyways, this is looking pretty neat. Not sure I'm fond of the random glowy portions, though.
Best of luck,
~Aeries.
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Actually, Lukerobin, they do have a decent point; if I was with Section 31, I'd be disenclined to use standard (or modified variants of) federation starships. What I could suggest is perhaps keep this as reference, textures & all, and build a fresh model of your own design from scratch. You have the skills, I think... ;)
Anyways, this is looking pretty neat. Not sure I'm fond of the random glowy portions, though.
Best of luck,
~Aeries.
Well the random glowy portions will be darkened later. Have any of you ever read The Return by Will Shatner? The USS Monitor was some inspiration. I'll try to get some info on it later. Also look up some S31 ships on BC Files. They follow a similar design but highly undetailed. I will have a go at making my own ship after i've finished this but I hardly have any skill in 3D Max :D Though perhaps a heavily modified varient could suffice. At the moment I just want to practice my texturing skills.
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Actually, Lukerobin, they do have a decent point; if I was with Section 31, I'd be disenclined to use standard (or modified variants of) federation starships. What I could suggest is perhaps keep this as reference, textures & all, and build a fresh model of your own design from scratch. You have the skills, I think... ;)
Anyways, this is looking pretty neat. Not sure I'm fond of the random glowy portions, though.
Best of luck,
~Aeries.
Well the random glowy portions will be darkened later. Have any of you ever read The Return by Will Shatner? The USS Monitor was some inspiration. I'll try to get some info on it later. Also look up some S31 ships on BC Files. They follow a similar design but highly undetailed. I will have a go at making my own ship after i've finished this but I hardly have any skill in 3D Max :D Though perhaps a heavily modified varient could suffice. At the moment I just want to practice my texturing skills.
Then by all means, have at her. By the way, how was it you accomplished the 'brushed metal' effect? :)
Edit: Max isn't too hard to get a hold of when you get used to it. :) Just takes time and dedication.
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most of the S31 ships on BCFiles are just black!
but as I already mentioned on your first attempt, I think you have a nice handling with your colors.
its obviously this ship isnt "normal" but its not too freaky...
If I just had ANY skills in modelling :(
I have an idea though!
What about adding an additional Pod which's pylon reaches from one Warp nacelle to the other?
Like the mithra by aeries...
but even if this will remain a retexture, I like it, it would be the first S31 Ship I'd download! :);)
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Hmm the pod sounds interesting but this is still DJ's moddel.
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of course, only with his permission :-I
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Ok this should put an end to it. It's almost cannon since Wil Shatner wrote the book.
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/USS_Monitor
It says, "In William Shatner's book The Return and the USS Monitor was a modified Defiant-class vessel with an all black hull coating that was specially built by Starfleet Intelligence, and was temporarily renamed Enterprise while mounting a direct offensive against the Borg/Romulan alliance at the Borg homeworld."
It's a logical assumption that other ships could follow this design.
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I done some more before. Changed the name, neatened up the armour a bit and removed all the alpha channels. The top of the saucer is pretty much complete unless anyone has any suggestions???
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The "noise" seems a little much to me. Or maybe a little contrasting to the main colour. Looking like one hell of an improvement over your first attempt though!
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Do you mean the noise on the armour plating?
Hey guys what do you think of my new sig? Thanks for the inspiration Intrepid :D
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Nice work, no arguement. One little thing, though... why no glowing nacelles or windows? Makes it almost look like a direlect ship... or everyone's taking a nap? :/ Just imo.
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Ah right I didn't explain the ships purpouse. (Did you follow it when I was doing the first attempt?) It's a stealth ship. Designed to be hard to see with very advanced sensors but far less firepower and weaker shields. But it is a lot quicker and has a re-enforced hull with stronger ablative armour. It has a cloak and i'm gonna try to make it not show up on enemy sensors unless within 50km. The naccelles should be glowing (need to fix it) but the windows should be as they are. A verdict was reached on the 1st attempt that the windows should be black. However if other people think they should be lit then I can change them back.
I also forgot to add, that in the first attempt it was hard to strike a balance between realism and fun. I could make it dark and completely black (would be more fitting) but there'd be no fun in it because you couldn't see the ship.
And one last thing, I have just gotton permission yesterday to retexture a very special ship. I'm not going to name it yet but I think it'll be perfect in this style. I'm gonna do it after I finish this.
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Well, maybe somewhere down the line the windows may be simply removed? Because this way, it looks like they're just "off". Might be a bit too much work at the moment, though, I admit... would almost require a complete retexture. I do agree, though, that the bussards, warp coils and deflector should all be on. :)
~Aeries.
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Well i'll do the naccelles tomorrow because I made a mistake on them. I'll have to see about the windows. Perhaps just dim light might be better.
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Maybe. It's totally up to you. Don't get me wrong, I do like your textures. Just a couple itty bitty nit-picks. :3
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Do you mean the noise on the armour plating?
Just the general "noise"/azteching.
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Ah rite, the angle I was using in the shots meant that the light was shining onto the hull. Normally it's not as 'noisy' when just flying around. I'll get you a screenshot when I go on next.
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I'm going on holiday for a few days. I'll try to get some done whilst I'm away. C U All later :)
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have a nice holiday, lokking forward to updates! :) ;)
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Have fun!
...I don't get a holiday... *huff* :x
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Well i'm back. I done the 2nd tga file. You can't see much from the shot since it's a small part of the ship. The 4th tga will make the biggest difference.
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Here's some big updates. It's a lot more Sovvie like now. I replaced the shuttle bays 1+2 with impulse engines and also added that armour effect on the sovvie to the rear of the saucer. Remember the ship is meant to be very manuverable so the extra engines would help. The first pic is before for comparison.
EDIT: Perhaps the armour could end past the impulse engines???
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Oh, VERY cool. :D
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wooohooo
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Normally I'm not a fan of section 31 ships, but I must admit that these one have a very cool look :D
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Hey thanks man :D
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The impluse variant looks pretty sexy, but I would match the impulse colors.
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Yup, your impulse engines don't seem bright enough. Great textures though. Take a cookie.
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Deepen the color of the impulse engines to a darker, richer red and make the alpha channels brighter... I *think* that would work nicely.
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Yeah I was gonna alter the colours. I just wanted to get peoples opinion first. I'll brighten the alpha's as you said Aeries and thanks for the cookie Vortex. Tasted yummy :D
Also I would like to thanks Dc McCoy for the idea of turning the shuttle bays into impulse engines like he did on his excelsior.
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Ok, replaced the impulse engines with the origional ones so they blend in together. Also i've extended the armour a bit more.
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looking much better now!
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Indeed, now it's cookie time. :)
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Well I think the textures are almost done. Just some things to finish off like the registries etc. What do you think? The top pics show the ship when light spills on it with it specs and the bottom when it's in the black of space. I wanted it to be dark like that so it can blend in with the background.
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Looking at the pics of the ship I think the specs need to be toned down a little.
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Well I think it looks perfectly fine, but go with whatever you feel works best for you; wonderful work here, dude. :)
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The bottom of the engineering hull looks a little...busy (for lack of a better word). Other than that, its looking great. The specs look good from here.
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Sneak preview :D Comments?
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shes cute :)
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Right, I decided to finish off the ship. I've got most of the things done but how do I make it a seperate ship? At the moment it over rides the Enterprise F.
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Ok, I know I'm going to get flamed for this, but I have to ask; what's with all the section 31 ships?
Section 31 was introduced in DS9, it was a bunch of rogue intelligence agents doing ethically... questionable stuff the federation would normally avoid. The very nature of the agency was decentralized and based on individual agents;
there was no HQ and no specific heavy duty hardware they used. They didn't have A ship, let alone a fleet.
Honestly I never understood these section 31 re-textures, no offense.
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I've only done 2 and i'm only releasing one of them. It's just a bit of fun really. The thing is because we've never saw that much of S31 it means I can do it how I want.
Anyway, can anyone help me make this into a seperate ship. I might still retexture a couple of shuttles for it.
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You should only need to make a new HP for it, as in, copy the Century's folder, rename it, then point the scripts in the right places.
By the way, she's amazing, I love the contrasts, but I'm a little unsure of an S31 ship using registries. Still, cookie for you.
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Thanks, i've got a few more screenshots of the finished ship. I'll upload them shortly.
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I'm sure you're familiar with the MPE, right? Unless you are planning on changing it's loadout, you should just be able to copy and rename the scripts and then just point those where you want them to go.
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I'm sure you're familiar with the MPE, right? Unless you are planning on changing it's loadout, you should just be able to copy and rename the scripts and then just point those where you want them to go.
The HP is modified. I'm still not sure what you mean with MPE though.
You should only need to make a new HP for it, as in, copy the Century's folder, rename it, then point the scripts in the right places.
By the way, she's amazing, I love the contrasts, but I'm a little unsure of an S31 ship using registries. Still, cookie for you.
I done that but it didn't work.
I copied all the files and renamed them. I then modified the scripts/ships .py.
Here it is, have I done somthing wrong?
import App
import Multiplayer.SpeciesToShip
def GetShipStats():
kShipStats = {
"DamageRadMod" : 0.75,
"DamageStrMod" : 0.75,
"FilenameHigh": "data/Models/Ships/S31 Clandestine/EnterpriseF.nif",
"FilenameMed": "data/Models/Ships/EnterpriseF/EnterpriseF.nif",
"FilenameLow": "data/Models/Ships/EnterpriseF/EnterpriseF.nif",
"Name": "S31 Clandestine",
"HardpointFile": "Clandestine",
"Species": Multiplayer.SpeciesToShip.MARAUDER
}
return kShipStats
def LoadModel(bPreLoad = 0):
pStats = GetShipStats()
# Create the LOD info
if (not App.g_kLODModelManager.Contains(pStats["Name"])):
# Params are: File Name, PickLeafSize, SwitchOut Distance,
# Surface Damage Res, Internal Damage Res, Burn Value, Hole Value,
# Search String for Glow, Search string for Specular, Suffix for specular
pLODModel = App.g_kLODModelManager.Create(pStats["Name"])
pLODModel.AddLOD(pStats["FilenameHigh"], 10, 200.0, 15.0, 15.0, 400, 900, "_glow", None, "_specular")
pLODModel.AddLOD(pStats["FilenameMed"], 10, 300.0, 15.0, 15.0, 400, 900, "_glow", None, None)
pLODModel.AddLOD(pStats["FilenameLow"], 10, 800.0, 15.0, 30.0, 400, 900, "_glow", None, None)
# kDebugObj = App.CPyDebug()
if (bPreLoad == 0):
pLODModel.Load()
# kDebugObj.Print("Loading " + pStats["Name"] + "\n")
else:
pLODModel.LoadIncremental()
# kDebugObj.Print("Queueing " + pStats["Name"] + " for pre-loading\n")
def PreLoadModel():
LoadModel(1)
It's the first time i've done anything like this.
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First, the medium and low versions are still pointing to the original Ent F folder. Second, make sure the hp name is correct.
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First, the medium and low versions are still pointing to the original Ent F folder. Second, make sure the hp name is correct.
I havn't included the med and low versions so that shouldn't effect me because i'm running the game on high. And the HP name seems to be correct to me (or do I need to add py to the end of it?).
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I havn't included the med and low versions so that shouldn't effect me because i'm running the game on high.
Just looking out for other people.
And the HP name seems to be correct to me (or do I need to add py to the end of it?).
Nope, no .py needed. I was just looking at the way you were naming things and thought you might have left out the "S31" at the beginning.
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I havn't included the med and low versions so that shouldn't effect me because i'm running the game on high.
Just looking out for other people.
And the HP name seems to be correct to me (or do I need to add py to the end of it?).
Nope, no .py needed. I was just looking at the way you were naming things and thought you might have left out the "S31" at the beginning.
Hmm, I don't know what else I can do. Would it be possible to send the ship to one of you's and you could do it for me. I can then compare your version to mine to see what you have done different. It's a pity there isn't any tools that'll do it.
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If you email it to me, I'll take a look.
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If you email it to me, I'll take a look.
Ok, thanks a lot Kirk. Actually, would it be ok if I upload it to filefront and send you the link?
Here's some pics of the finished ship.
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And some more. These show it when no lights shine on her. She almost becomes invisible.
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I never was a fan of S31 retextures of any ship, but you do make it look awesome. Good work, my man. Very good indeed.
Edit:
THAT LAST PIC! AS POTD!!! RIGHT NOW! GO GO GO!!!
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FF links work too. Which ever is best for you.
Also, I would agree with Aeries, but people will moan about the "Placement 0."
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THAT LAST PIC! AS POTD!!! RIGHT NOW! GO GO GO!!!
Lol, ok.
FF links work too. Which ever is best for you.
Also, I would agree with Aeries, but people will moan about the "Placement 0."
I can edit that out. I know editing is not allowed but it's not like i'm trying to enhance it. I could have easily took it off when in BC. I'll upload it now then.
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She really is beautiful, Guess I should reinstall BC again (Space issues. :S)
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Thanks, this better?
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Yep, can't even tell it's edited. :D
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And Widescreen friendly!
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And Widescreen friendly!
INDEED! Though not QUITE wide-screen enough for Aeries' desktop [2560 x 1024] xD
But yes. Wonderful work.
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And Widescreen friendly!
INDEED! Though not QUITE wide-screen enough for Aeries' desktop [2560 x 1024] xD
But yes. Wonderful work.
I wish BC would support higer resolutions. Like 1440x900 or 1920x1080
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Alrighty luke, I got it to work. First off, in the hp comment out the file path, like this.
#C:\Documents and
#Settings\home\Desktop\Bridge Commander\Scripts\Ships\Hardpoints\Clandestine.py
And for those that haven't yet installed the century, like me. Comment out the medium and low lod lines.
def GetShipStats():
kShipStats = {
"DamageRadMod" : 0.75,
"DamageStrMod" : 0.75,
"FilenameHigh": "data/Models/Ships/S31 Clandestine/EnterpriseF.nif",
# "FilenameMed": "data/Models/Ships/EnterpriseF/EnterpriseF.nif",
# "FilenameLow": "data/Models/Ships/EnterpriseF/EnterpriseF.nif",
"Name": "S31 Clandestine",
"HardpointFile": "Clandestine",
"Species": Multiplayer.SpeciesToShip.MARAUDER
}
return kShipStats
def LoadModel(bPreLoad = 0):
pStats = GetShipStats()
# Create the LOD info
if (not App.g_kLODModelManager.Contains(pStats["Name"])):
# Params are: File Name, PickLeafSize, SwitchOut Distance,
# Surface Damage Res, Internal Damage Res, Burn Value, Hole Value,
# Search String for Glow, Search string for Specular, Suffix for specular
pLODModel = App.g_kLODModelManager.Create(pStats["Name"])
pLODModel.AddLOD(pStats["FilenameHigh"], 10, 200.0, 15.0, 15.0, 400, 900, "_glow", None, "_specular")
# pLODModel.AddLOD(pStats["FilenameMed"], 10, 300.0, 15.0, 15.0, 400, 900, "_glow", None, None)
# pLODModel.AddLOD(pStats["FilenameLow"], 10, 800.0, 15.0, 30.0, 400, 900, "_glow", None, None)
She now works ingame.
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Thanks a lot Kirk :D If this works i'll give you 10 cookies. Btw, when you say comment out, you mean delete right?
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Comment out simply means you add a # in front of a line you want the program to ship/ignore. (I'm sure MLeo has a better explanation.)
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Nope it didn't work. Just to make sure, did it actually show in BC? Otherwise I'm starting to think it may be my BC install. Btw, what name did it come up with?
Here's the files now.
import App
import Multiplayer.SpeciesToShip
def GetShipStats():
kShipStats = {
"DamageRadMod" : 0.75,
"DamageStrMod" : 0.75,
"FilenameHigh": "data/Models/Ships/S31 Clandestine/EnterpriseF.nif",
# "FilenameMed": "data/Models/Ships/EnterpriseF/EnterpriseF.nif",
# "FilenameLow": "data/Models/Ships/EnterpriseF/EnterpriseF.nif",
"Name": "S31 Clandestine",
"HardpointFile": "Clandestine",
"Species": Multiplayer.SpeciesToShip.MARAUDER
}
return kShipStats
def LoadModel(bPreLoad = 0):
pStats = GetShipStats()
# Create the LOD info
if (not App.g_kLODModelManager.Contains(pStats["Name"])):
# Params are: File Name, PickLeafSize, SwitchOut Distance,
# Surface Damage Res, Internal Damage Res, Burn Value, Hole Value,
# Search String for Glow, Search string for Specular, Suffix for specular
pLODModel = App.g_kLODModelManager.Create(pStats["Name"])
pLODModel.AddLOD(pStats["FilenameHigh"], 10, 200.0, 15.0, 15.0, 400, 900, "_glow", None, "_specular")
# pLODModel.AddLOD(pStats["FilenameMed"],? 10, 300.0, 15.0, 15.0, 400, 900, "_glow", None, None)
# pLODModel.AddLOD(pStats["FilenameLow"],? 10, 800.0, 15.0, 30.0, 400, 900, "_glow", None, None)
# kDebugObj = App.CPyDebug()
if (bPreLoad == 0):
pLODModel.Load()
# kDebugObj.Print("Loading " + pStats["Name"] + "\n")
else:
pLODModel.LoadIncremental()
# kDebugObj.Print("Queueing " + pStats["Name"] + " for pre-loading\n")
def PreLoadModel():
LoadModel(1)
#C:\Documents and
#Settings\home\Desktop\Bridge Commander\Scripts\Ships\Hardpoints\Clandestine.py
# This file was automatically generated - modify at your own risk.
#
import App
import GlobalPropertyTemplates
# Setting up local templates.
#################################################
Hull = App.HullProperty_Create("Hull")
Hull.SetMaxCondition(80000.000000)
Hull.SetCritical(1)
Hull.SetTargetable(1)
Hull.SetPrimary(1)
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It showed in BC after I made a plugin with BCSMC. I was able to add it through the "add ships" menu as well as use it in a quickbattle.
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It showed in BC after I made a plugin with BCSMC. I was able to add it through the "add ships" menu as well as use it in a quickbattle.
Ah rite, i'll try BCSMC. Thanks.
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Also, for your release don't forget a new tactical icon.
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Just done one :D One final question, where do I put the .py that BCSMC created?
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in scripts/Custom/Ships
I'm surprised you've never made a plugin before. :)
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in scripts/Custom/Ships
I'm surprised you've never made a plugin before. :)
hehehehehhehehehehehehehehe it WORKED!!!!!! Thank you so much. 10 cookies. (although it'll take a few days to send them. 1 per hour :D)
Btw Kirk, check out the modder of the month nominations, someone nominated you.
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Ten cookies? (Is going to get fat. :D)
I'm glad this all worked out for you.
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Ten cookies? (Is going to get fat. :D)
I'm glad this all worked out for you.
I'm sending her out to a couple of people just to make sure it's all fine. Btw, what did you think of her Kirk?
Well DJ, thanks a lot for letting me use your ship. I hope you like it :D
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Very nice, as to not spoil the surprise. I will simply say I was really fond of the hardpoint, especially the phasers.
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Any idea on a release date?
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Any idea on a release date?
Most probibly less than a week. I'll try to get a couple of potd's first so people will see her and then i'll release her to BC Files.
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I'd try to throw together a preview video for you luke, but a lack of AA/AF wouldn't do this ship justice.
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Thanks Kirk, that'd be great. Anyway one last pic. POTD worthy?
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Almost every picture by you is POTD worthy. GO ahead and submit it.
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Almost every picture by you is POTD worthy. GO ahead and submit it.
I also wanted to saay it.
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Almost every picture by you is POTD worthy. GO ahead and submit it.
I also wanted to saay it.
hehe, thanks :D
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I don't know how to make Scripts, but there should be a script out so when a section 31 ship gets nearly disabled, it should like automatically go into a self destruct routine so the ships not 'discovered' or things leaked out.
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I don't know how to make Scripts, but there should be a script out so when a section 31 ship gets nearly disabled, it should like automatically go into a self destruct routine so the ships not 'discovered' or things leaked out.
That'd be the captains job. Automated destructs aren't feasible, what if the ship still had some chance? The CO had something up his sleeve? "Automated Destruct cannot be disengaged" Or something fuses, you're scrweed, and S31 loses an entire ship, complete with crew.
Love that pic Luke, Can't wait to take her out for a ride!
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Oh my, what a beauty! (never made a plugin before? I practically worshipped BCMP until I wrapped my little brain round BCSMC. My brain's alot bigger now :lol:) Can't wait to see this on BC Files. Liking your Earth too.
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Thanks, both of you. I might, just might upload her tonight.
Glad you're liking my earth:D
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Thanks, both of you. I might, just might upload her tonight.
I am SO glad I reinstalled BC on the weekend. :]
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I can't wait to take her for a spin!
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Aeries, wise move. This ship is beautiful
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Right, the ship is uploaded to BC-Files.
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Nice, Chrono! Just played it ingame, and noticed something: the rear phasers fire a bit away from the surface. Just a small thing that anyone can fix though. Just thought I'd let you know since you uploaded it as a 0.9, and a 1.0 would seem to include a fix for that. :D
EDIT: Ah, I see you changed your name! Okay, fixed!