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[Darkthunder]

I'm American and I love the JJPrise!  More people would love it too if rebooting Star Trek wasn't such a very butt-hurt-inducing idea for lots of fans.

Or if they actually made a reboot with more substance, and less flash (no pun intended)

[Shadowknight1]

Or if they actually made a reboot with more substance, and less flash (no pun intended)

Ugh, I am so sick of hearing that.  ST2009 certainly had a lot more substance than that other POS sci-fi movie that came out the same year.  STID had a great villain in Khan and IMO, Chris Pine totally OWNED his death scene.  Heck, unlike Spock, he knew he didn't have an "out".  He knew going in that he was dead.  But he knew that if he didn't, everyone would die.  That's the sacrifice of not only a good captain, but a good human being.

Nothing against you DT, but it seems no matter where I go, I keep seeing those same old arguments thrown at the Abrams movies.  They're getting old to me, just like the complaints about Man of Steel or Transformers.

[Tuskin38]

Its weird, I really enjoyed Into Darkness the first 2 times I watched it.

But now for some reason going back to it, I cannot finish it. I think all the negative comments got to me.

I can still re-watch XI fine though.

[Darkthunder]

Nothing against you DT, but it seems no matter where I go, I keep seeing those same old arguments thrown at the Abrams movies.  They're getting old to me, just like the complaints about Man of Steel or Transformers.

None taken. Honestly, I was pretty supportive of the JJ Abrams version of Trek up until Star Trek Into Darkness. When he kept insisting that the villain was NOT Khan, repeatedly, and the villain turned out to be Khan anyways, left a rather sour taste in my mouth. There are several issues with both of his movies, but I still find them "entertaining" enough. However they aren't "Star Trek" enough in my opinion. And rehashing Wrath of Khan, was a big let down for me. They went through the effort of rebooting the franchise, putting events in an alternate timeline, only to repeat events that already happened? The point of setting it in a different timeline, was to "free up" the possibility of telling new stories.

The only difference with Into Darkness vs Wrath, is Khan's motivation. He's still the same genocidal mad man, wanting to kill anyone and everyone who stands in his way. Nothing we haven't seen before. Kirk's death scene (while very well played by Chris Pine) was a mirrored carbon copy of Spock's death scene. Spock may have had an "out" by transferring his Katra to McCoy, but he had no knowledge of his future "rebirth" on the Genesis planet. To that end, both Kirk and Spock effectively knew going in, it would be a death sentence. At least in the old movies, they had enough patience to wait until the NEXT movie, before reviving Spock. Kirk's death had no meaning, when he was effectively revived 5 minutes later.

Not gonna go into the countless number of plot-holes and inconsistencies, as they would be too numerous to fit a forum post (without seeming like a longer wall of text than my current post)

[086gf]

My ideas...

Q/Trelane
battle ON the saucer(like that Kre-O commercial but in an atmosphere thats not Earths)
Ramming speed!
Enterprise getting resuced for a change by someone well known(both in-universe and real world(Tim Allen ftw))
seeing a god damn toilet/bathroom! lol

No matter what they do the events of the first two movies have had quite an effect on the Klingons. Them getting bitch slapped by the Narada and then the early detonation of Praxis should have them going for a major "land" grab sooner than later. In every direction. One would think so.

But thats just me.

[King Class Scout]

I am currently watching Fringe, one of JJ's TV projects.  weird is in JJ's style.  I'd have expected anything if I'd have heard of the guy BEFORE the reboot movies.

[086gf]

Well, it almost happened the first time around(and would of worked very well) but, now it absolutely is happening for the third outing.

Shat is back!

How exactly? He will be Jim Kirk but NOT the one that died in the Nexus. It seems he will be playing the future version of Pine's Kirk. Also, Nimoy is apparently back as well also as the future version of Quinto's Spock. Then again we still might see Spock prime too.

Here is a good idea of the how and why...

The B never encounters the Nexus because of so many changes leading up to that time.
Kirk maybe narrowly escapes death(in a totally different situation) and he and Spock are the only survivors.
Which causes an already bad situation(on a galactic level even?) to become much worse.(Think Armada and the Premonition story, they have no choice BUT to go back in time)
Go back in time to find their younger selves.
Correct what they need to so this grim future doesn't happen while still having older Kirk "die" on the B but actually die in the Nexus.
Younger crew continues on their journey.
Cue credits.

[Darkthunder]

None of the above has been confirmed, anywhere 086gf. So it's either pure speculation, or wishful thinking on your part. All we know is that they've discussed including Shatner in the next movie in some capacity, but what capacity that is, and if he'll actually be in the movie, has yet to be confirmed. And likely won't be, until closer to release (in 2016).

[nxadam1701]

Whoa

[086gf]

None of the above has been confirmed, anywhere 086gf. So it's either pure speculation, or wishful thinking on your part. All we know is that they've discussed including Shatner in the next movie in some capacity, but what capacity that is, and if he'll actually be in the movie, has yet to be confirmed. And likely won't be, until closer to release (in 2016).

Turns out that tweet was indeed him just saying that he was back home from Europe. Understandable though when Orci and others behind the scene were already bringing him up so much the last few months and then Shatner suddenly posts the tweet and everyone automatically made the connection.

But on another front...there is this from "John Harrison" himself at 0:50. The crowds reaction to his very quick answer followed by his fidgety silent response. He knows something.

t=91

[nxadam1701]

:-/

I'll save the money for something else this time, no point in paying for yet another disappointment. 0.50's response was all I needed. Ty kind sir for saving me money and time.

[Shadowknight1]

So...Orci, a noted Trekkie at heart, is out as director.  In his place is Justin Lin who has directed a few of the Fast and Furious movies.  I was cautiously optimistic about Bob Orci.  But when someone's pedigree is a flashy, explodey action movie that looks like something Michael Bay would crap out, I'm beyond worried.  Add to that the rumors that Paramount is wanting Star Trek 3 to be more like Guardians of the Galaxy, and I think this project has the worrisome potential to be the worst Trek ever.  While most people tend to overlook the substance in the last two Treks, I do see it, and I'm just not sure we can get that with this new director.  Yes, Orci is still writing and producing.  Yes, Abrams is still producing.  But that might not be enough to save it.  As is my usual policy, I'll wait for the trailer before making a decision regarding when/if I see the movie, but it's not looking good in my opinion.

[Darkthunder]

I share your concerns. After all, one of the worst "old Trek" movies ever made, was directed by a nobody who had no experience directing Trek (Stuart Baird on Nemesis).

[Shadowknight1]

Well, doesn't take much to reinspire hope.  Simon Pegg, aka. Scotty, is on board as a co-writer.  He is noted as a huge fan of the franchise, so hopefully he can help give us the slower, less Star Wars-y Trek we've been waiting for.

[Ambassador]

Just FYI, some rumours regarding the current movie situation. There were guy named Para Mobius who was making comments on various sites, including (IIRC) TrekMovie way back in September or so. IIRC, 3 of his rumours have borne out to be true:

- Bob Orci's script has been rejected.
- Bob Orci has been fired as writer.
- Bob Orci has been fired as director.

Long story short, according to further rumours by this guy, because a contract between Paramount and CBS to produce these movies has run out, CBS will announce a new Trek series sometime in the new year that will not take place in the Abrams universe. So far, this hasn't happened yet but the year is young.

As for this new movie, it's seems to be a bit of a clusterf**k, pardon my language. Basically, it seems that the announcements being made regarding writers and potential villains (Bryan Cranston, etc.) are not from Paramount, so they haven't been "officially" confirmed. There's a lot of reports but little confirmation so far. It's unclear whether the film can even make the release deadline given the shenanigans with Orci.

So...Orci, a noted Trekkie at heart, is out as director.

A noted Trekkie who didn't know who David Gerrold was...

and I like this article cuz I never heard of this guy. Nice to learn about him. - Bob Orci

[Ambassador]

The only difference with Into Darkness vs Wrath, is Khan's motivation.

And the fact that Into Darkness Khan was really stupid and had stupid motivations. My favourite unintentional comedy part is when he "forced' Spock to beam the armed and active torpedoes (that Spock could easily explode) onto the Dreadnaught,

"You WILL throw that Molotov cocktail containing my wallet into my house right now."

[Darkthunder]

Other stupid inconsistencies as well...

Can't beam Spock or Khan off the moving platform, but we can sure as hell beam Uhura down. Say what?

Besides the fact that Kirk's maneuver to "fix" the warp core made no logical or physical sense at all, they cheapened his "death" by reviving him 2 minutes later, using Khan's "magic blood". At least with Spock in the original Wrath of Khan, they actually killed him, and kept him dead until the next movie.

[nxadam1701]

Other stupid inconsistencies as well...

Can't beam Spock or Khan off the moving platform, but we can sure as hell beam Uhura down. Say what?

Besides the fact that Kirk's maneuver to "fix" the warp core made no logical or physical sense at all, they cheapened his "death" by reviving him 2 minutes later, using Khan's "magic blood". At least with Spock in the original Wrath of Khan, they actually killed him, and kept him dead until the next movie.

He should of aimed for transporting them from the moving barge to Qonos, yup that'll do. It would have worked painlessly.

[Ambassador]

Besides the fact that Kirk's maneuver to "fix" the warp core made no logical or physical sense at all, they cheapened his "death" by reviving him 2 minutes later, using Khan's "magic blood". At least with Spock in the original Wrath of Khan, they actually killed him, and kept him dead until the next movie.

Yep, I have to say that was the most awkward theatre moment I ever had. It started out as "wow, this seems really familiar... are they really going to do this?" Which led to "yep, they are actually going to do this". The entire scene, I just wanted to laugh. Regardless of how good the acting was, the writing and setup was so bad that scene effectively sabotaged itself (although the story was already sabotaged, but at least the direction/acting was ok enough for me to enjoy myself). During the entire death scene, I basically thought "well they'll bring him back with the obviously previously established magic blood, I don't want to sit through this". Then Spock yells KHAN... [golfclap], ending with a stupid chase scene and even more stupid "lesson" speech at the end ("revenge is bad, we shouldn't be consumed by it - even though neither myself or any other character actually gave into revenge").

As one of my favourite reviewers, when told that the theme of the movie was "revenge", said, "If you want to say that the theme of movie was stupidity, I'm all for that".

[Ambassador]

He should of aimed for transporting them from the moving barge to Qonos, yup that'll do. It would have worked painlessly.

Yep. I love it when these writers casually introduce a overly-powerful plot device without thought to the consequences to the story and future stories.