Star Trek: Discovery Discussion (WARNING: SPOILERS)

[eclipse74569]

DT:  Forget trying man...seriously, apparently this is the best thing since sliced bread.

[Darkthunder]

DT:  Forget trying man...seriously, apparently this is the best thing since sliced bread.

Yup, no point trying anymore.

I watch the show, but it's not "Prime Trek" in any sense of the word, regardless of what Producers, or so-called "Fans" claim. Sorry Tuskin.

The more they try to justify it as "Prime", the more they contradict what has already been established over the past 50 years.

[Tuskin38]

Yup, no point trying anymore.

I watch the show, but it's not "Prime Trek" in any sense of the word, regardless of what Producers, or so-called "Fans" claim. Sorry Tuskin.

The more they try to justify it as "Prime", the more they contradict what has already been established over the past 50 years.

They're not contradicting anything other then visuals. The Lore is fine, the stories are fine, anything else will be explained.

You're just not seeing the bigger picture.

DT:  Forget trying man...seriously, apparently this is the best thing since sliced bread.

Nah it isn't, DS9 is the best series, I'd probably rank Discovery 3 or 4 right now.

[Darkthunder]

@Tuskin38: I'd love to hear your defense of this travesty. Go!



Keep in mind, this is suppose to be the original USS Defiant from TOS Mirror Mirror, and again seen in ENT In A Mirror Darkly.

[Tuskin38]

@Tuskin38: I'd love to hear your defense of this travesty. Go!

Keep in mind, this is suppose to be the original USS Defiant from TOS Mirror Mirror, and again seen in ENT In A Mirror Darkly.

It looks like a Connie, and it's beautiful (except those round pods on the pylons or whatever they are, I hate them)

According to someone who claims to have insider knowledge (so it is probably bullshit), this is just the Terran modified version (it's been 100 years after all) of the Defiant. This is not what a connie will necessarily look like when DSC gets back to the Prime Universe, and the prime one will be re-imagined because DSC is a visual reboot. Not sure why I keep responding to your bait, but here you go.

The thing I dislike the most about this, is that they flipped the earth on the Terran logo. It is flipped horizontally.

I also think they did this plot too soon, should have been season 2 or 3, once we got to know the characters a lot better.


The people in the costume department did their homework, the awards on the left side of some of the Terran uniform, they come from both "Mirror, Mirror" and "In a Mirror Darkly"

Tilly's uniform


Archer and Kirk's Uniforms


And what they mean according to the costume people

[Darkthunder]

According to someone who claims to have insider knowledge (so it is probably bullshit), this is just the Terran modified version (it's been 100 years after all) of the Defiant. This is not what a connie will necessarily look like when DSC gets back to the Prime Universe, and the prime one will be re-imagined because DSC is a visual reboot. Not sure why I keep responding to your bait, but here you go.

"so it is probably bullshit"

Indeed it is. If this was merely a "Terran modified version", how come noone on Discovery crew commented that it didn't quite look like the one WE are familiar with? And enough with your "visual reboot" bullshit: Discovery is not the Prime Timeline. It may be a modified version of the Prime Timeline, different but similar to what we knew from TOS and beyond, but it is NOT in any stretch, THE Prime Timeline.

Hell, even the Terran Empire doesn't match up with the TOS Terran Empire as seen in Mirror Mirror, with their logo (sword through Earth) being decidedly different. Both ENT and TOS had the same Terran Empire logo. DSC was different. So much for "they did their research".

[Tuskin38]

"so it is probably bullshit"

Indeed it is. If this was merely a "Terran modified version", how come noone on Discovery crew commented that it didn't quite look like the one WE are familiar with? And enough with your "visual reboot" bullshit: Discovery is not the Prime Timeline. It may be a modified version of the Prime Timeline, different but similar to what we knew from TOS and beyond, but it is NOT in any stretch, THE Prime Timeline.

Hell, even the Terran Empire doesn't match up with the TOS Terran Empire as seen in Mirror Mirror, with their logo (sword through Earth) being decidedly different. Both ENT and TOS had the same Terran Empire logo. DSC was different. So much for "they did their research".

Visual reboot. Redesigned, same universe. the lore and story hasn't changed. End of story.

[Nebula]

Visual reboot. Redesigned, same universe. the lore and story hasn't changed. End of story.

Agreed! I'm loving everything I've seen in this ep. Also about the mirrored Earth in the Terran emblem? That's a visual gag for "the MU."

[Tuskin38]

Agreed! I'm loving everything I've seen in this ep. Also about the mirrored Earth in the Terran emblem? That's a visual gag for "the MU."

I know, but I think it looks silly.

Spock in Mirror Mirror has something similar to the Valor medal in the above image, might be what it was inspired by.

[Morgan]

I was a little put off at first by having the Discovery end up in the Mirror Universe, mostly because it always seemed that Kirk was the first one to go there.  In all fairness though, the Defiant was lost after the events of "Mirror, Mirror" and Mirror Archer said there isn't a mention of the Mirror Universe and the Terran Empire anywhere in the Defiant's databanks.  Whether this means that the Defiant simply hadn't been updated due to being in deep space or the information was classified for some reason is up for debate.

We're long past the days where we have all the answers in one episode, so for right now I'm enjoying the ride and trying not to read too much into things.  The episode, on its own merits, was quite enjoyable and it's great to see Jonathan Frakes directing a Trek episode again.

[Tuskin38]

I wouldn't be surprised if the Spore Drive was classified. Hell anything with the Mirror Universe would probably be classified as well.

Don't want people getting any ideas.

[Tuskin38]

Ted Sullivan has confirmed the Defiant was modified by the Terrans

https://twitter.com/karterhol/status/952202679618453504

[Darkthunder]

So what if he's confirmed it?

Doesn't change the fact that NOONE commented on it looking different than what THEY knew it to be. They saw an image of the USS Defiant, and didn't even bat an eye at the fact that it looks different than what WE (as viewers) would expect. Also, why wasn't it labeled ISS if it was "Terran modified" ? Poor justification and writing, is... poor.

And just more stretch to justify fucking with canon. Per usual.

[Tuskin38]

I don't understand why you keep coming back to this thread if you hate the show so fucking much.

I'm just going to stop responding to you.

[Darkthunder]

I don't understand why you keep coming back to this thread if you hate the show so fucking much.

I'm just going to stop responding to you.

Have I ever stated I hate the show? Nope.

I've watched every episode so far, and I thought the Mirror episode was probably the best one yet. But it's not, in any way shape or form, adhering to canon as we knew it from TOS. Doesn't matter if Producers claim it to be "Prime" timeline, or in this case "Mirror Prime". Doesn't matter if you, or anyone else claims it to be "Prime", when all evidence suggests otherwise.

The only way this show fits, is as a continuation of ENT (and by extension, the JJ films even if they don't acknowledge them as part of DSC).

[Nebula]

The only thing I see it not completely adhering to canon are some of the visuals. The show is a visual reboot (designs or uses of communications) and I'm completely fine with this. I've not seen anything else glaringly against canon. I can see this show fit perfectly fine in Prime.

[Darkthunder]

The only thing I see it not completely adhering to canon are some of the visuals. The show is a visual reboot (designs or uses of communications) and I'm completely fine with this. I've not seen anything else glaringly against canon. I can see this show fit perfectly fine in Prime.

I'm surprised at your cavalier attitude towards this. So them using Holographic Communications in REAL TIME, does not in any way violate existing canon? When Kirk and crew had to wait several hours or even DAYS for a response? Or the fact that they are using Holograms more than a century before it became "standard".

Face it: Producers don't care about sticking with canon, visually or otherwise, and the "fans" are sheep that blindly follow what producers say (when the evidence right in front of their faces, show otherwise).

[Nebula]

I'm surprised at your cavalier attitude towards this. So them using Holographic Communications in REAL TIME, does not in any way violate existing canon? When Kirk and crew had to wait several hours or even DAYS for a response? Or the fact that they are using Holograms more than a century before it became "standard".

Face it: Producers don't care about sticking with canon, visually or otherwise, and the "fans" are sheep that blindly follow what producers say (when the evidence right in front of their faces, show otherwise).

I knew you were going to mention the holograms. Those don't bother me in the slightest given the fact that they aren't physical holograms and that TAS showed they existed in some form in TOS. As for communicating almost instantly? That's a story decision. Plenty of EPs in ST have violated that.

[Darkthunder]

I knew you were going to mention the holograms. Those don't bother me in the slightest given the fact that they aren't physical holograms and that TAS showed they existed in some form in TOS. As for communicating almost instantly? That's a story decision. Plenty of EPs in ST have violated that.

In TOS (and TOS-era) ... Communications were NOT instantaneous. TNG and beyond never showed any "time lag" issues, which was retconned...

In ENT (and ENT-era) ... Communications still weren't instantaneous, but they introduced the idea of "signal boosters" which allowed communications back to Earth. Once communications were established, direct real-time communication was possible. This would then support the DSC-era version of instant communications (holographically or otherwise), if DSC is a continuation on ENT-era, and not a "prequel to TOS".

Timeline A: TOS -> TNG -> DS9 -> VOY

Timeline B: ENT -> DSC -> newTOS -> newTNG etc

My guess is, that both ENT and DSC were influenced by the events of Star Trek: First Contact, which led to things becoming far more advanced than they would've been by the time of TOS Kirk.

[Tuskin38]

First look at the Andorians and Tellarites in DSC, spoilers for today's episode

http://ew.com/tv/2018/01/14/star-trek-discovery-aliens/