TREK XI - Images, Footage, Trailers, Enterprise, Discussion, etc. Thread (WARNING: SPOILERS)

[Billz]

BOO!!! HISSS!!!! HERESY!!!! *throws toaster*
 :arms:

He's a far better Scot than Simon Pegg!

QFT.

I think Simon only got the part of Scotty since he was the only other non-American that J.J. knew of since he was in M.I:3, another J.J. movie.
The only other non-American that J.J. knew was Dominic Monaghan (Charlie Pace, LOST) and having an ex-Hobbit play Scotty would've been just plain weird, lol.

[Nebula]

Well I just watched the movie again and I failed to see the issue with the size of the Shuttle bay and Engineering (engineering was a deck/s and not just a room (even stated so, by Spock))... They both fit the size of the ship well.... (especially the Ents Shuttle bay when the shuttle landed the size meshed well with the TMP Ents size.)

[undedavenger]

Blaxxer: "No, it still happened. Old Spock is proof of that."

And since he has not been erased from existence, as has been the case before when someone screws with the past, that means the "prime" Trek is still running alongside the new one. That'll be useful for ongoing original universe projects, like Star Trek: Titan. Might even help them. The aftermath of the destruction of Romulus in the normal timeline might make for some good stories.

[Shadowknight1]

Blaxxer: "No, it still happened. Old Spock is proof of that."

And since he has not been erased from existence, as has been the case before when someone screws with the past, that means the "prime" Trek is still running alongside the new one. That'll be useful for ongoing original universe projects, like Star Trek: Titan. Might even help them. The aftermath of the destruction of Romulus in the normal timeline might make for some good stories.

Where do you think Star Trek: Online takes place? ;)

I hate to say this cause I just KNOW somebody's going to take offense and break out the torches and pitchforks...but Simon Pegg was a better Scotty than James Doohan.  I'll always love him, God rest his soul, but he was a Canadian playing a Scotsman with a predominantly Irish accent.

[Libussa]

Ok, I just watched it again. There was a conversation on the bridge of the E Where they admitted that the moment the Narada came back in time (in front of the Kelvin) it created an alternate timeline. So this is the trek we know, and it isn't. It isn't in respect that this is a completely different timeline and as such gives the screenwriter free reign to completely redo the entire trek timeline from TOS on. But it is in a sense that the main command crew are the same characters. BTW, did anybody catch the name of the admiral who's dog scotty beamed? Admiral Archer ??????????

[undedavenger]

Ok, I just watched it again. There was a conversation on the bridge of the E Where they admitted that the moment the Narada came back in time (in front of the Kelvin) it created an alternate timeline. So this is the trek we know, and it isn't. It isn't in respect that this is a completely different timeline and as such gives the screenwriter free reign to completely redo the entire trek timeline from TOS on. But it is in a sense that the main command crew are the same characters. BTW, did anybody catch the name of the admiral who's dog scotty beamed? Admiral Archer ??????????

Yes, it was a beagle, just like Porthos, although it is highly unlikely that Porthos was still alive after nearly a century.

[newman]

Ok, I just watched it again. There was a conversation on the bridge of the E Where they admitted that the moment the Narada came back in time (in front of the Kelvin) it created an alternate timeline. So this is the trek we know, and it isn't. It isn't in respect that this is a completely different timeline and as such gives the screenwriter free reign to completely redo the entire trek timeline from TOS on. But it is in a sense that the main command crew are the same characters. BTW, did anybody catch the name of the admiral who's dog scotty beamed? Admiral Archer ??????????

Yes, we know. Not to make you feel bad or anything, but most of us figured these things out the first time we saw it

[Darkthunder]

I hate to say this cause I just KNOW somebody's going to take offense and break out the torches and pitchforks...but Simon Pegg was a better Scotty than James Doohan.  I'll always love him, God rest his soul, but he was a Canadian playing a Scotsman with a predominantly Irish accent.

And Paul Mcgillion (whom many agreed with), would've been the perfect Scotty. Why? Well, first off he has the capability to both be serious and funny (often at the same time). The guy is actually FROM Scotland, and his scottish accent is flawless. You should see this actor in Stargate: Atlantis, and you'll understand. His character in Stargate was more reminescent of ole' Doc McCoy, but he regularly performed "miracle work" on the show as well as acting out both humourously and seriously.

[Shadowknight1]

Yes, it was a beagle, just like Porthos, although it is highly unlikely that Porthos was still alive after nearly a century.

Porthos XIV?

[captain_obvious]

I hate to say this cause I just KNOW somebody's going to take offense and break out the torches and pitchforks...but Simon Pegg was a better Scotty than James Doohan.  I'll always love him, God rest his soul, but he was a Canadian playing a Scotsman with a predominantly Irish accent.

And Paul Mcgillion (whom many agreed with), would've been the perfect Scotty. Why? Well, first off he has the capability to both be serious and funny (often at the same time). The guy is actually FROM Scotland, and his scottish accent is flawless. You should see this actor in Stargate: Atlantis, and you'll understand. His character in Stargate was more reminescent of ole' Doc McCoy, but he regularly performed "miracle work" on the show as well as acting out both humourously and seriously.

Nah, scotty has and always will be a comic relief character and simply cannot be played by someone who mostly does serious acting.

Captain_obvious's law
Scotty cannot be played by a serious actor. Such an attempt will always fall flat on it's face.
:arms:

Simon Pegg fits the bill perfectly imo.

[Darkthunder]

Then we'll just have to agree to disagree

[martyr]

simon pegg was weak as scotty

[RCgothic]

I liked him. It's hard to follow in the footsteps of someone as well loved as James Doohan, and it's better to not even try than to make a mess of it. Simon Pegg made the character new again.

[JimmyB76]

i thought the Scotty character's "comedy" was too obvious; dumbed down and slapstick for comedic placement and funny-ha-ha one liners...
a little bit too obvious, it was akin to jar jar IMO
nothing against the actor, thats the writers faults...

[Shadowknight1]

I thought it was all perfectly in character for Scotty.  Plus I love that Simon Pegg ad-libbed the "Can I get a towel?" line.


So...Star Trek 09 has surpassed all the previous Treks.  I think that Paramount would be wise to consider a sequel.  What do you guys think for the sequel?  I hope to god they don't do Khan.  I'd personally like to see the Romulan commander from Balance of Terror come into play.  After all, he did say to Kirk, "You and I are of a kind.  In another reality, I could have called you friend."  Well, we're in another reality. ;)

[undedavenger]

i thought the Scotty character was too obvious, dumbed down and slapstick for comicedic placement and funny-ha-ha one liners...
a little bit too obvious, it was akin to jar jar IMO
nothing against the actor, thats the writers faults...

I hated that they made Chekov smarter than Scotty, or Spock for that matter. Scotty was not portrayed as being a real engineering genius. I know they tried to pass him off as such, but there was not much on-screen evidence of it. Chekov's character is more suited for comedy. With all the little one-off nods to TOS, they forgot one of the best: Chekov claiming that EVERYTHING was invented or discovered by a Russian. We didn't really need Wesley Crusher 2.0.

[JimmyB76]

What do you guys think for the sequel?  I hope to god they don't do Khan.  I'd personally like to see the Romulan commander from Balance of Terror come into play.  After all, he did say to Kirk, "You and I are of a kind.  In another reality, I could have called you friend."  Well, we're in another reality. ;)

pls lets save the sequel ideas/discussion/guesses for a later date and a different thread... 
at some point, when it is made, preliminary bits will be let out publically to where we can pick it up from there...


i dunno, as far as the comedy aspects of Scotty and as well Chekov, i just felt it was kinda dumbed down, generic, and a bit obvious...

[Shadowknight1]

I'm honestly disappointed that they made him have the classic Chekov speech impediment.  The Russian language doesn't have a "W" but it does have a "V", but Chekov can't pronounce words beginning with "V"?  I wanted a Chekov with a real accent.  As for Scotty, his main problem is that he came in over half-way through the movie so he didn't get a chance to show off his engineering skills.  And as for the comedic parts for him, he really only had the water tube scene and the following where he asks for a towel.

But, as I've noticed just from this thread, there are some people who won't like the movie no matter what, and I won't try to sway you guys to think otherwise.  I'm just glad we didn't get another bombshell like Nemesis.  That and Enterprise should have killed Star Trek, but apparently Paramount thought otherwise.  And while it's obvious the Trekkie population is divided between those who like and don't like the new movie, it HAS given the franchise new life.  Not to mention the fact that a few non-fans really like this movie.  What's funny though is that, even with all the division I'm seeing here and elsewhere, there is no such division among all the people I know that have seen the movie.  Weird.

Oh, and someone did an analysis of the new Enterprise and using the supposed "official" length of the craft constructed a possible deck "layout".  I put the layout in quotes because it doesn't take into account the fact that the engine room probably isn't segmented quite that way, but it does give a good idea as to how the ship can be that big: http://www.elcoklingen.nl/tmp/decks_enterprise.jpg  And it makes more sense to me than the 1701-refit's diagrams.

[Nebula]

interesting except that deck 2 and up would be part of the bridge deck....

[Darkthunder]

If you downsize that ship diagram so that 2 decks become 1 deck, then it's length becomes a more manageable 362.5 meters, only slightly bigger than the TMP Enterprise. Which would also make the shuttlebay area 2 decks tall (like the TMP Connie), and the deflector assembly fits nicely within 1 deck.

I find it hard to believe that the JJ Connie is more than twice it's TMP counterpart. Simply lowering the deck count from 32 to 16, makes the ship about the size of an Intrepid Class. Ofcourse, most of the windows wouldn't quite match that diagram then, but it wouldn't be the first time Star Trek's internal and external appearances arent a 100% match, now would it?