TREK XI - Images, Footage, Trailers, Enterprise, Discussion, etc. Thread (WARNING: SPOILERS)

[blaXXer]

If you want everything explained, two-hours are not long enough for that, plus it'd be fanwank.

on the flipside, to leave out such obvious important things that the storyline requires for alot the movie to make sense is poor quality writing...
there are too many things "answered/explained in the comics!" and thats just ridiculous...

Quite on the contrary. For normal folks it's clear: Baddie with big honkin ship from the future goes postal. The dont't need to know the whole damn backstory to get it.

For Trekkers, on the other hand who want to know such things, there's the comic.

It is an interesting bit of minutiae but in the long run, you get the film without knowing it.

Remember it is a plothole if it breaks the films internal consistency. It does not. Not everything is eexplained - the important things are and that's that. Folks, you aren't the moviegoing public. You're FANS.

[Dalek]

Amen to that blaX. Just came back from seeing it and despite the few questions that require the comic...wowee! Gets a cookie from me.

[Darran]

If you want everything explained, two-hours are not long enough for that, plus it'd be fanwank.

on the flipside, to leave out such obvious important things that the storyline requires for alot the movie to make sense is poor quality writing...
there are too many things "answered/explained in the comics!" and thats just ridiculous...

Simply a sound business plan: get people to see the movie = $$$$ (or in my case ????)
                                         those who want the extra bits, buy comic = more $$$$ (????)

It may nark a bit for the fans but it's damn good business ethic

[Starforce2]

the movie didn't leave me with any questions really...other than how we ended up with that horrid E to begin with..something obviously messed with the timeline before the romulans. Otherwise, I have no real questions left over.

[JimmyB76]

i had a number of questions actually...  even if they were slight and only people into trek would thnk of them...  but thankfully, they were all pretty much answered some 20 pages ago in this thread, from those who had read the comic...  as i was saying, the writers could have easily added another x minutes to the movie by going into slight more detail about things...

then again, they prolly deliberately didnt, as it would have been too trekkie-fan-ish and less generic-sell-out-ish... 

anyway, moving on... 

is there anything left to discuss about this movie?  lol

[Dalek]

Moving swiftly on...

I agree with Jimmy about the cheesiness...there were some points that bordered on cheese overload. As for the points which I considered cheesy, perhaps Kirk acting like a complete nut-job at the beginning of the KM scenario? When the "crew" realise something has gone right, not so cheesy.

The bit where George Kirk and...Mrs Kirk (does she actually have a first name?) are saying there last words to each other as the Kelvin is about to smash into the Narada...that hooked me completely.


The only questions that I think are unanswered are just little nitpicky things like how the Narada got to be that flipping huge, Borg tech or no Borg tech.

[Tuskin38]

Also, when listening to the cadet assignments again, one poor cadet got assigned to Regula One.  That'd kinda suck.  Fleet-wide red alert and you get stuck to a space station in the middle of frickin nowhere.

Hmm.. It probably wasn't the same Regula One, its probably just a reference, like the naming of Delta Vega.

[JimmyB76]

does anyone know how much footage was cut, that will no doubt be included when it goes to DVD?
for that matter, does anyone know when it goes to DVD?
i will surely check out the comic and then see the movie again with all the cut footage - perhaps i'll see things a little differently than i do now...

[Nebula]

I think about 10 to 12 min was cut from the film... (the scene with the Klingons and one with Spock)

the DVD should come out later this year but not sure the exact time.

[Kirk]

My guess: Christmas

[mckinneyc]

My guess: Christmas

It's a dead cert it will be Christmas, most summer block busters are out by Christmas. It's all about the green!  :lol:

[Vanguard]

I would guess around october personally...

[Billz]

I'd say September. Remeber the 'The Day the Earth Stood Still' remake (yuck). That was released in December last year with the DVD only coming out last month (5 months). It is normally about 5 months that it takes for most movies to be released on DVD these days.

I just hope they don't f*** up the DVD by putting trailers on it for other movies like Sony Pictures did with Hancock. When it says 'Trailers and TV Spots' on a DVD menu, I wanna see the trailers and tv spots for the movie I am watching and not for some other movie I don't give a damn about!  :arms:

[Shadowknight1]

The bit where George Kirk and...Mrs Kirk (does she actually have a first name?) are saying there last words to each other as the Kelvin is about to smash into the Narada...that hooked me completely.


The only questions that I think are unanswered are just little nitpicky things like how the Narada got to be that flipping huge, Borg tech or no Borg tech.

Winona Kirk. ;)

The Narada was made so flipping huge because of a hybridized Borg-Romulan technology that not only continually adapts to the situation at hand(in the case of its size, it needed to be something that could wipe out Feddie fleets easily), but also self-repaired like a Borg cube.  The only reason she was captured by Klingons(off-screen) is that she was badly damaged by the Kelvin plowing into it and self-destructing, and the Narada was on the edge of Klingon space.  Come on, you can't expect the Klingons not to take advantage of seeing this huge warship and not wanting a piece of it.  Now, obviously, a super advanced ship with 24th century Romulan and Borg technology is going to be a bit beyond the ridgeheads, so when the ship had repaired itself, Nero and crew broke out, reclaimed the Narada, and laid waste to a 47-ship Klingon fleet.  Fun times.  I hope that the battle was actually made by ILM and not just implied, I'd love to see the Narada just shrugging off D7's like gnats.

[Aeries]

Ah, having not read the comic I had no clue the Narada was partially borg... that would explain the amazingly retarded layout and colossal size... though it doesn't explain the huge lack in ADVANCED weaponry... I think even today's anti-air guns could take out those missile things. Also, the Narada had a big problem taking out the Kelvin at the beginning but had no issue tearing through the FLEET? WTF GIVES!?

More carnage is good... but retardedly inexplicable carnage? bleh.... whatever man.

two more shots and I don't think I'll care...

[Shadowknight1]

Well, in the comic, the Narada had just come from a battle against a fleet of Klingon ships and the Enterprise-E, I'd think her ammo supplies would be in the recharging phase.

[Aeries]

It's part borg... they'd practically piss ammo and not even notice a lack thereof at any stage. Nah, I'm not sure that'd be a good excuse in that case...

[mckinneyc]

Again why should we have to read a comic to have the film make sense?

[blaXXer]

Again why should we have to read a comic to have the film make sense?

Quite on the contrary. For normal folks it's clear: Baddie with big honkin ship from the future goes postal. The dont't need to know the whole damn backstory to get it.

For Trekkers, on the other hand who want to know such things, there's the comic.

This is a repost from not-all-the-way-up on this page.

[Johnnymuffintop]

Here's a excerpt from, I believe the book, that explains the Enterprise looking so different.

The Constitution class was conceived by a team of designers led by Janice Newfield, a brilliant engineer and visionary. The project was at the conceptual stage in 2232 and was targeted to have working products in 10 years time. While working on improving the USS Kelvin's engines in 2233, the ship was attacked by an unknown Romulan ship. Janice was killed when a bulkhead near her was destroyed and she was sucked out into space.

When Janice died, the project was put on hold for a decade until a very bright engineering student (who, in the original timeline, many years later, oversaw the Constitution refit) named Tsi Sang helped restart the project submitting his own unique changes that were never included by the original designer, Janice Newfield (this is why the ship is more advanced looking in the movie). The project was restarted in 2244 under Sang's supervision.

The 17xx registry number set was held for the Constitution class, the prototype, the USS Constitution - 1700, tested in 2252 had many issues, while most were resolved a structural support issue could not be, so the ship was decommissioned in 2253. Sang resolved the structural issue and all the other issues and Starfleet decided to build the next Constitution (1701) on Earth where it could give the structure better gravity stress tests.

Starfleet was so impressed with this new ship that they made the first one (The Enterprise) the flagship and assigned veteran captain Chris Pike as it's commander. The Enterprise was so new in fact, that only few Starfleet personal were trained in her systems. Realizing this, Starfleet Academy started to train its students on these new systems in 2257, so by 2258 many of the older academy students could be a part of the Enterprise's crew.

According to Janice's logs it was always her intention for the first production Constitution to be named the Enterprise after the famous pre-Federation ship from the mid 22nd century. Starfleet did, respectfully, name the first production ship (1701), Enterprise even though Sang wanted the name to be The USS Yorktown.