Star Trek: Discovery Discussion (WARNING: SPOILERS)

[King Class Scout]

Wait what?!? A Star Trek show, isn't for Star Trek fans? Who's it for? My Little Pony fans? Seriously, that's a really poor argument in an attempt to defend this turd of a show.

well, we could always ask Nebula (THIS brony says no, too)

Frankly, DT, this show isn't for Trekkies, Trekkers, or even the JJ fans.  it's for people who have never heard of the Star Trek IP!  it's for people who think in terms of Game of Thrones.  I have a distinct feeling that Paramount simply threw up their hands and said "fine, we'll just George Lucas it!" 

this one isn't just a franchise reboot, it's a full on recreated from scratch job for millenials.

[Nebula]

i really wanted to like it; i tried... i just couldnt get past ep 3...

You stopped right when it was getting good. The first three eps were the Pilots. Actually the first two could be considered a prequel movie and the 3rd the actual pilot.

The inconsistencies with canon to me are very very small nitpicks that deal with the design that was updated for 2017. I've so far not had any jarring moments with it. They are also bringing in many elements of TAS that I feel no one considers or forgets about.

[Morgan]

The advantage of setting it Before TOS (or at least 100 years after NEM like how TNG was with TOS) is new audience, they won't need to watch the previous series to understand anything.

I'm sorry but this argument is bullshit, there's no other way to say it.

To my previous post, the story can work between Star Trek VI and TNG and the general audience would never notice.  Lines of casual dialogs like "the peace treaty with the Klingons is breaking down" would tell the non-Trek guy grabbing a beer every 10 minutes exactly what he needs to know; only those of us ranting here would notice a difference.  It's a win/win.

And secondly, making a Trek show for non-Trek fans is like selling non-alcoholic beer to an alcoholic - they're gonna say "what's the point"?  It's one thing to find ways to make Trek more appealing to non-Trekkies to bring them in, but removing everything that brought people in before just drives them away.

[Nebula]

[Tally]

if the show was placed in The Lost Era timeline, and stuck to canon, i would have absolutely LOVED this series right from the beginning!  there was so much space and time between Ent-B, Ent-C, eother timeline would have been fine...  hell, they could have started Ent-B era and went for many years airing until much later in Ent-C era...  or anywhere in between...
i sooooo wish it could have been this way instead...
le sigh

My sentiments exactly, with Meyer attached I hoped this would've been the direction they took.... Is this an anthology still?

If so maybe they'll learn and one can hope they can do an X Men and persuade McAvoy to play a younger Picard on a Stargazer series 

[Tuskin38]

The Discovery asthetic looks like it would fit better between TOS and the TOS movies.

They have aztecing, non-round nacelles (but still with dome shaped bussard collectors like the Connie), the phaser hard points match the movie ships as well.

The Connie is at least 10 years old at this point so it would still fit between the Connie and the Refit.

Though that doesn't explain the Shenzhou.

[Nebula]

The Discovery asthetic looks like it would fit better between TOS and the TOS movies.

They have aztecing, non-round nacelles (but still with dome shaped bussard collectors like the Connie), the phaser hard points match the movie ships as well.

The Connie is at least 10 years old at this point so it would still fit between the Connie and the Refit.

Though that doesn't explain the Shenzhou.

That was my thought they are leaning more towards a TMP style.

[ACES_HIGH]

the novel Desperate Hours does try to justify some of the visual changes.  The Shenzhou is a much older ship then Pike's Enterprise. The blue uniforms are the fleet standard, while the pastel sweater uniforms are just starting to be introduced in the fleet with the Constitution-class.

[Darkthunder]

the novel Desperate Hours does try to justify some of the visual changes.  The Shenzhou is a much older ship then Pike's Enterprise. The blue uniforms are the fleet standard, while the pastel sweater uniforms are just starting to be introduced in the fleet with the Constitution-class.

The different uniforms on Pike's Enterprise and the "Fleet Standard" (Shenzhou/Europa/Discovery etc), I could overlook...

But saying the Shenzhou is a "much older ship" when everything about the ship screams more advanced than the Enterprise, is just plain old... wrong.

[Morgan]

But saying the Shenzhou is a "much older ship" when everything about the ship screams more advanced than the Enterprise, is just plain old... wrong.

It's always going to be difficult creating a pre-TOS look with modern production values and a realistic look of what the future will look like to today's audience.  Enterprise walked this line fairly well, the NX-class doesn't look like paper mache sets but still can pass as pre-TOS.  The uniforms look more like modern flight suits that NASA uses, instead of military uniforms.

Discovery (the ship) does a good job at least externally - boxy, ugly, and a Daedalus-like sphere in the middle of the saucer all have a pre-TOS aesthetic.  The interiors don't really jive with me though, but not for continuity reasons.  The interiors of the ships, the uniforms, they all strike me as just generic sci-fi and not really Trek.  It's... boring.  One could argue that the NX interiors were like this as well in the beginning, but by season four they got much more colorful and had some nice TOS homages.

The rest of Discovery's ships definitely look like they fit in with Star Trek Online's era more than anything.  I wouldn't have minded seeing some Kelvin-type ships with some TOS aesthetics (Axanar, despite all their fuckery, did a good job meshing the JJ and TOS universe ships), and maybe even a couple of Enterprise-era ships that Starfleet had to force back into the war - see more of those Intrepid types and maybe even the NX refit due to the desperate situation.

Just so many missed opportunities with this show...

[Tuskin38]

You have to remember, the Enterprise herself is "Pre-TOS" already. In TOS Season 1 she is at least 20 years old, if you count references made in TAS.

Apparently L'Rell said petaQ in last nights episode. I missed it.


$500 Studio Replica Hand Phaser anyone? It is a replica of the 'Hero' model, so it is full of electronics. The 'cricket phaser' is even removable, I don't think we've seen them do that in DSC yet.

https://www.anovos.com/collections/star-trek-discovery/products/star-trek-discovery-starfleet-phaser-pistol-interactive-prop-replica-pre-order

[ACES_HIGH]

The different uniforms on Pike's Enterprise and the "Fleet Standard" (Shenzhou/Europa/Discovery etc), I could overlook...

But saying the Shenzhou is a "much older ship" when everything about the ship screams more advanced than the Enterprise, is just plain old... wrong.

Walker-class ships like Shenzhou are supposed to be only slightly newer then the NX-class or the Franklin, both of those looked more advanced then the TOS Enterprise.  Also I agree with Tuskin, the Enterprise is 11 years old at this point, while the Discovery is a brand new prototype, it stands to reason that Discovery would be more advanced.

The underslung bridge is supposed to be a unique feature to the Walker-class too.  The only design aesthetic that really bugs me at this point is the wrap around windows.

[Tuskin38]

The Franklin perhaps, but not the NX-01. I never thought it looked more advanced then the TOS Connie because it looked like it was descended from stuff used in various space programs.

The Shenzhou really is an outliner. None of the dialogue implied it was from the 22nd Century however.

[ACES_HIGH]

in the book they said she was more then 50 years old, so maybe not the same vintage as NX-01, but still much older.

Back when Enterprise first came out that was one of the complaints about it's design too, especially the set design.

[Darkthunder]

The Enterprise was launched in 2245, and ultimately destroyed in 2286 when Kirk triggered the self-destruct. The Commander-in-Chief of Starfleet mistakenly said it was an old ship at 20 years of age. Book may claim the Shenzhou is over 50 years old, but I highly doubt it given both onscreen visual evidence which suggests it's a lot newer than the 2245-launched Constitution Class Enterprise, and the fact that no starship has been around as long as the original Enterprise was. Sure, we've seen Miranda's and Excelsior's in DS9-era, but no evidence to support that any of them were 80+ years old.

[Tuskin38]

but I highly doubt it given both onscreen visual evidence which suggests it's a lot newer than the 2245-launched Constitution Class Enterprise

They redesigned the tech in DSC so it is a little more plausible from a 21st Century perspective then what was shown in TOS.

If a Connie ever shows up in DSC, you can bet its tech will look close to the USS Discovery's.

[Darkthunder]

They redesigned the tech in DSC so it is a little more plausible from a 21st Century perspective then what was shown in TOS.

If a Connie ever shows up in DSC, you can bet its tech will look close to the USS Discovery's.

Unless they contradict themselves, I doubt it. Since Spock is seen wearing The Cage era uniform-style in their official pre-DSC book, one would assume they intend to follow through with TOS-style Constitution Class (if it's ever seen in DSC, and I have no doubt it will at some point, thou likely heavily redesigned, and blatantly... violating canon)

[Tuskin38]

Unless they contradict themselves, I doubt it. Since Spock is seen wearing The Cage era uniform-style in their official pre-DSC book, one would assume they intend to follow through with TOS-style Constitution Class (if it's ever seen in DSC, and I have no doubt it will at some point, thou likely heavily redesigned, and blatantly... violating canon)

The novel isn't canon. They've said they're not beholden to what it is in it.

I bet won't look radically different, it will just have more detail so it doesn't look like a plastic model from the 1960s and matches the other ships we've seen, and will have rounded nacelles.

Like the Discovery her self is not crazy detailed, no more then the ships in the TOS movies.

The interior would need to changed as well. Keep the same shape and the console layout on the bridge, but add same screens and some labels to the buttons.

[Morgan]

From what I understand, the production staff do tend to gradually move more towards TOS color schemes as the show progresses.  Enterprise did something similar but increasing the amount of buttons on the displays each season and in season four changing Columbia's blue buttons to green (to better match the TOS color schemes of their displays).  Discovery could do this and maybe update the paint with brighter colors at some point.

[Tuskin38]

Yeah, one of the people on the production team said the computer screens would gradually get more colours then just blue.

https://trekmovie.com/2017/09/03/star-trek-discovery-designers-reveal-look-and-colors-will-evolve-to-be-more-like-tos/

This is slightly blue-y. They are sort of restricting all the color schemes and they will slowly advance and become more colorful as we get closer to The Original Series, and for other reasons I can’t repeat.

The "and for other reasons I can’t repeat" part intrigues me.