Star Trek Online thread

[Billz]

if the centaur is in then there will be an excelsior

The Centaur was a kitbashed Excelsior model that was quickly made for whichever series it made its debut in as another ship was needed for an episode rather quickly. The producers thought it would be easier to kitbash a spare practical model rather than to completely design a new ship. Otherwise, the Centaur and Excelsior are 2 completely unrelated ships so a Centaur in ST:O is no gurantee that a Excelsior will be in the game, which is a little sad.

[Darkthunder]

so a Centaur in ST:O is no gurantee that a Excelsior will be in the game, which is a little sad.

Precisely my point.

[candle_86]

I am not bitter about ST:O. On the contrary, i'd love for a new Star Trek game to succeed where others have failed. The problem is that I have yet to see any actual success in regards to this game. I'm willing to try it out and give it a chance, but annoys the hell out of me that companies like Cryptic, or Bethesda before them, throws in a bunch of non-canon ships and forgets several of the canon designs.

Furthermore, there is absolutely no realistic reason to include ships like the Constitution, Constellation or "Soyuz" Class ships by the time of 2409 since all of these would definitely be far beyond their prime. I do not accept that Starfleet would design new 25th century ships, and name them exactly the same as the ships that came before. And keep the ships "relatively" same style.

If I come off as being bitter or upset in any way, it is definitely not my intent. I will continue to strive to provide comments and input where necessary. I can't help if others don't share my opinions on certain matters

its 2409 yes, do we have the whole story, has there been another war? Are the borg a threat again, if so old hulls might be recommissioned to face the threat. Has starfleet fully recovored from the Domion War by this time. We know in 2279 a fleet including the USS Bozemen where sent to intercept the Scimitar. Also if there vessels recived refit for the Domion war and brought up to 2370 standards what reason is there to decomission the hulls?

[Darkthunder]

A refit can only go so far. There's such a thing as "hull integrity" to consider. Ships like the Constitution Class whose maximum speed was limited to Warp 7. It's hull could almost certainly not handle the stresses of traveling at velocities exceeding Warp 9. Certain subsystems can be refitted internally such as shield emitters, torpedo tubes, possibly the warpcore itself. But without rebuilding the entire ship from scratch, you will still be limited to whatever the hull is able to handle.

To quote Captain Scott: "When they can build ships like your Enterprise... who'd wanna pilot a bucket of bolts like this?"

Obviously the "fan bois" who don't care about the technical logistics, and just wanna fly the ship for the "coolness factor". There really isn't any logical or technological reason to include the Constitution Class in 2409 when it was "supposedly" decommissioned over 100 years prior. Last "officially" seen in Trek VI which was set in the 2290s. I tend to discount the "graveyard" scene in Wolf 359 since that was obviously just the visual effects department that cobbled together a bunch of wrecks and threw them into the scene.

I would argue that the Miranda doesn't belong in the 2409 setting either since it's essentially just as old as the Constitution Class. But in canon, there has been no official reason for decommissioning the Miranda Class as of yet. The Connie has been decommissioned according to official canon. Besides which, the Miranda Class still does a decent job in it's role as a "Light Cruiser" able to do quick attack runs, and move on.

The USS Bozeman in ST: Nemesis has never been confirmed to be the same USS Bozeman as seen in the TNG episode "Cause and Effect". Seeing as Starfleet decommissioned the Soyuz Class (Miranda Class variant) long before the TNG episode took place, I see no logical reason for Starfleet to have kept the original USS Bozeman around by the time of Nemesis. It's more than likely that the USS Bozeman in Nemesis was of a newer design...

... or just the visual effects guys that threw together a list of cool ship names.

[candle_86]

A refit can only go so far. There's such a thing as "hull integrity" to consider. Ships like the Constitution Class whose maximum speed was limited to Warp 7. It's hull could almost certainly not handle the stresses of traveling at velocities exceeding Warp 9. Certain subsystems can be refitted internally such as shield emitters, torpedo tubes, possibly the warpcore itself. But without rebuilding the entire ship from scratch, you will still be limited to whatever the hull is able to handle.

To quote Captain Scott: "When they can build ships like your Enterprise... who'd wanna pilot a bucket of bolts like this?"

Obviously the "fan bois" who don't care about the technical logistics, and just wanna fly the ship for the "coolness factor". There really isn't any logical or technological reason to include the Constitution Class in 2409 when it was "supposedly" decommissioned over 100 years prior. Last "officially" seen in Trek VI which was set in the 2290s. I tend to discount the "graveyard" scene in Wolf 359 since that was obviously just the visual effects department that cobbled together a bunch of wrecks and threw them into the scene.

I would argue that the Miranda doesn't belong in the 2409 setting either since it's essentially just as old as the Constitution Class. But in canon, there has been no official reason for decommissioning the Miranda Class as of yet. The Connie has been decommissioned according to official canon. Besides which, the Miranda Class still does a decent job in it's role as a "Light Cruiser" able to do quick attack runs, and move on.

The USS Bozeman in ST: Nemesis has never been confirmed to be the same USS Bozeman as seen in the TNG episode "Cause and Effect". Seeing as Starfleet decommissioned the Soyuz Class (Miranda Class variant) long before the TNG episode took place, I see no logical reason for Starfleet to have kept the original USS Bozeman around by the time of Nemesis. It's more than likely that the USS Bozeman in Nemesis was of a newer design...

... or just the visual effects guys that threw together a list of cool ship names.

but no canonical statement to prove otherwise, also the bozeman can be seen fighting the borg cube at the battle of Sector 001 and is mentioned as being there. Given the ship was lost in 2278, and the hull configuration the hull wouldn't be very old 10 years at most. So there would be no reason to retire a hull farily new even if the design itself is 100 years old. Its logical to assume it was refit with modern phasers and shields and put back into the fleet, this is substatiated by the fact is does fight in sector 001. It likly also saw combat during the domion war and unless there is proof the bozeman was retired and a new ship brought online I am more inclined to think it was refit. Also why the idea of a Connie active in 2409 doesnt make much sense, there could be conditions as to why it was reactivated. Hull shortage, war, training vessels, transports ect. Also given the class was totally rebuilt in 2271 and they built new ones at least up till 2285 it can be assumed the hulls are in similar condition to Mirinida class hulls and thus still viable and offer better tactical vessels than a Mirinida in combat, as there is more room for weapons. Also warp speed shouldn't be a big issue, any vessel with older style nacelles including the galaxy class can not except Warp5 under normal conditions, so a limit of Warp7 is totally meaningless to anything using an older nacelle, as higher than Warp5 is emergency only or they can damage subspace.

[Darkthunder]

Given the ship was lost in 2278, and the hull configuration the hull wouldn't be very old 10 years at most. So there would be no reason to retire a hull farily new even if the design itself is 100 years old.

Case in point: Enterprise-A

Commissioned in 2286, decommissioned in 2293.

Sector 001 by the way, is Earth. It wouldn't be too hard to figure that this 100+ year old ship would be relegated into the role of a training ship in and around Earth's solarsystem. Since the battle took place near Earth, it makes perfect sense for ANY ship within range to participate in the battle, even if it's potentially a "no win scenario".

"higher than Warp5 is emergency only or they can damage subspace"

Well, since the Intrepid Class introduced the "variable warp geometry" style pylons/nacelles specifically as a workaround for said problem, I doubt that any newer ships would have a problem with "too fast speed, damage subspace" if the old Intrepid Class didn't have the problem. While no other canon ships have been seen with a similar pylon/nacelle to the Intrepid Class, it's likely they made similar modifications to the ships. The "Warp 5 limit" has been broken time and time again since that episode of TNG, both during emergencies and just general warp travel.

Bottomline is: Your assumptions are just as valid as mine. We may very well both be wrong in our assumptions. Until there is anything that can realistically disprove the assumptions, it's just a bunch of speculations. Think this topic should try and slip back into being "on topic" rather than speculating on the life history of different ship classes.

[Barihawk]

"Excalibur" or not, that is totally a lineage from the Excelsior class starship.



The...Gallente invade the Alpha Quadrant? Most likely a Gorn vessel.

[Darkthunder]

Well, when you show an image like that of the "Excalibur" I can't help but agree that it may be part of the Excelsior lineage. I just hope we're able to use, or construct the standard Excelsior also, as well as the Ambassador and Nebula classes.

[NeoSilverThorn]

The...Gallente invade the Alpha Quadrant? Most likely a Gorn vessel.

Looks Caldari to me.  (Kidding.)

Probably Gorn, or some new race they made up on the spot.

[Dalek]

One of the Orion ships bears a vague resemblance to that ship.

And the "Excalibur" isn't that Excel-sified Connie design. The Excalibur shown by Cryptic has a more Nova/Rhode Island look to it.

[Nebula]

this is cooool

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/startrekonline/video/6232976

btw what the?? weren't there more posts after Dalek's?

[Dalek]

this is cooool

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/startrekonline/video/6232976

Looks super awesome.

[JimmyB76]

btw what the?? weren't there more posts after Dalek's?

yes, alot offtopic, hence they went bye-bye...
  :arms:

[Tuskin38]

this is cooool

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/startrekonline/video/6232976

btw what the?? weren't there more posts after Dalek's?

http://uk.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/startrekonline/video/6232976/star-trek-online-the-future-past-part-1?hd=1&hd=1

HD version.

wtf, why is mine UK? I'm in Canada, and Neb's liek wasn't UK.

[Darkthunder]

http://pc.ign.com/dor/objects/14270158/star-trek-online/videos/startrekonline_trl_video_101409.html

A new trailer has been released. Also attached, is a treat for the more visually acute people in the crowd

[Ryles]

Interesting... "refit" JJprise.

[martyr]

that was just a normal constitution refitted

[Billz]

Oh no they did not just put 1701-D on that ugly piece of s**t that they call a Galaxy Class in this game! :mad :mad :mad

[Darkthunder]

In fact they did... I was however more curious about the "Sovereign-style" phasers on the dorsal saucer. As you may have noticed, it's no longer the standard "ring phaser" that the original Galaxy Class has/had.

[Dalek]

Indeed. Not bad looking. And it looks a hell of a lot bigger than a normal Galaxy.

Vid (thanks to Calderwood of Lotus for this little nugget): http://vimeo.com/7091730