I find toses ineffective against anything outside their own era (i'll get pasted by a single torpedo shot) unless I tune the living crap out of them (and even then, it's 2 torps instead  

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I didn't know there was anybody else here 
old enough to be a geewunner! now, if they could find someone that could do a passable imitation of Starscream's sycophantic squeaking...(best I can do is a decent rattrap 

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