You misunderstand.
Farshot, I just watched one member berate another member over the officialism of official officialism. I assure you I understand your opinion/position on the matter. There is nothing wrong with it either.
You seem to be neglecting the fact that there are strong moral lessons and exploration of the human condition behind this movie. Follow authority before following gut. Don't demonize your enemy. Due process should be afforded to everyone. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Kirk and Spock finally understand one another, deeply and personally. Spock stikes a balance between human feeling and vulcan stoicism. None of those four movies you mentioned have any of that.
I assure you again...
I have not neglected that fact.
Drawing similarities does not mean identical in every-way.
You seem to be forgetting that superman genetic engineering wasn't impossible. It was outlawed. They could do cell altering super biological medicine if they wanted. But they don't.
That's not how I would phrase it.
I would say, "Saquist is assuming that such a technology to resurrect the dead isn't intrinsic to such law or ban." And Saquist would be right they are not mutually exclusive.
Spock: "KHAAAAAAAAN!!!" Originally spoken by Kirk in a completely unrelated scene. To be honest, Spock's rage at Khan here feels a helluva lot more real than Kirk's in Wrath of Khan. Why was Kirk so absolutely livid with Khan when he knew the Enterprise would be there in two hours?
It was to throw off Khan.
Don't you remember. Kirk wasn't really pissed he had a plan the whole time. Kirk had a plan.
You guys tell me "You seem to forget" a lot but you guys don't seem to understand that Nichols Meyers ran through his movie with a fine tooth comb. Perhaps it was too subtle. He still made... one mistake that I've counted by disabling the Enterprise months from Regula. (which probably comes down to budget because there was no Warp effect for Reliant)
Meyers took the show's tech and crafted it into a strategy that made sense as though to mimic a real situation. He set up the Enterprise to take a certain amount of damage, he planned out that damage to make sure that the Enterprise had no way to escape at warp and neither could Khan. (LOOK at the locations on the Hull that took Damage...near the impulse engines, the spine of the ship, warp plasma conduits. Even the approach of the Reliant was planned to the "T" as Reliant passes Enterprise and fires a torpedo from the rear that strikes said impulse components) Once the Enterprise gets it's ability to fight back it only has "partial main power" and a 1/2 impulse. He put Kirk in a position to succeed against a superior enemy and during the end the MAINS are taken off line (in the script Kirk says (I guess we'll have to finish the job on auxiliary power.) Then the mains are brought fully on line because of Spock.
Kirks reminder of regulation occurs before the first battle and he QUICKLY LEARNS FROM THE MISTAKE. But we aren't given any clue until he's beamed back to Enterprise. Kirk and Spock are a Great Team at this point. It was a strategy game to make Khan believe he had won ...and FRANKLY....This was one part where Shatner acted his pants off. The scene of Kirk after the "Khan yell" shows very good direction because it's a big clue that he's playing Khan. He's calm and even goes into a (extremely over confident) description of the Kobyashi Maru.
"He just doesn't want me going in there"
That was the cockiness that Abrams was trying to recreate. By this point Kirk is executing a formulated attack strategy against an opponent that had zero Space War Combat Experience. His first officer was with him the whole way. After the first attack it was ALL Kirk. That's a bit of the movie genius that Nicholas Meyer created in this mock SUBwarfare depiction of combat in space.
Most of this I didn't know... and I wasn't a fan of Wrath of Khan previously. It seemed just a battle with no point...But the themes (that as a kid I wasn't aware of) helped to fill the substance part of the film...It was a drama not just a Space Battle.
