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BC Forums => BC Modding => Topic started by: MarkyD on April 13, 2009, 02:53:36 PM
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Ok, so F9th Dawg, brought this idea on, after I built the "GAGARIN" he suggested we should roll back and build a true TNG Constitution Class... I agreed many months ago, and said the first step was to build a really good connie...
So this thread will show the work to building a great TNG Constitution class, insperation drawn by mainly Adonis as his connie at the minute rocks ( excalibur to be seen)
So, I am going to create an accurate (VERY ACCURATE) TMP Connie the 1701-A then TNG the ship :)
Final ship has no NCC or name as of yet 8)
The shuttle bay took me 4 hours to make sure it was smooth and clean :)
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Looking great already. Looks like a new design, though from what I pictured from a TNG version of the constitution would include elements from the Excelsior Class and Ambassador classes.
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a TNG Connie - awesome! :D
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Yours beats mine already. :) That shuttlebay is very difficult to master.
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Use Galaxy class components?
This should be interesting.
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Yours beats mine already. :) That shuttlebay is very difficult to master.
I hear you, rebulit mine 7 times from scratch and it just does not look right. The rest of the ship is ready for texturing just the bloody fantail looks bad.
Hey Mark how about another great video tutorial on how to pull off a great secondary hull?
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Use Galaxy class components?
This should be interesting.
If he uses Galaxy Class components it'll end up looking something like this:
http://i42.tinypic.com/33cvfpt.jpg (http://i42.tinypic.com/33cvfpt.jpg)
Nice work so far Mark, looking forward to more.
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Yours beats mine already. :) That shuttlebay is very difficult to master.
I hear you, rebulit mine 7 times from scratch and it just does not look right. The rest of the ship is ready for texturing just the bloody fantail looks bad.
Hey Mark how about another great video tutorial on how to pull off a great secondary hull?
UMM... Mark the asylums already needed :P!
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Another four hours gone, but managed to get those details done for the sides, pain to model too when you want it as one piece, good part is now I can use that another two times, when i cut away the hull and stick them in and clean it up..
@Wiley & Baz
Yeah that shuttle bay is a pain, where the side walls curve up smoothly to form the top side is a right B*tch to get done..
Video tut's are coming soon :)
Im on guard tonight, so I will get back to this tomorrow night.
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Im in love
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very nice work mate :)
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Nice. How many polies?
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1800 polys at present, and thats with the frontal detail being applied to the underside and opposite side too.
Thanks fellas, off back on guard now, so I will continue with this at 1800 GMT tomorow 8)
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I like it, I just hope it uses a lot of the elements from the previous eras. Thinking of it, I should draw up a ship using all the important features of all the enterprises into a ship, wonder what it'd look like.
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Nice going on the TMP 1701, can't wait to see the TNG version. :)
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Ok i know i am getting ahead of myself on this project but i have to ask when we finally do TNG her what kind of armaments should she have. Im thinking putting on an aft torp launcher and maybe slap on ambassador class phaser arrays what does everyone think?
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Ok i know i am getting ahead of myself on this project but i have to ask when we finally do TNG her what kind of armaments should she have. Im thinking putting on an aft torp launcher and maybe slap on ambassador class phaser arrays what does everyone think?
Never too early to ask these questions mate..
Here is another, if the Connie was built during the TNG Era as we will be doing, would it fill the roll in the TNG Era as it did in the TMP era and replace the galaxy as the Flagship??
If so or if not, I think that would dictate the size and weapons outfit of this vessel 8)
On a side note, the NCC - 1701A is coming along, have those front details all smoothly meshed in now 8)
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Here is another, if the Connie was built during the TNG Era as we will be doing, would it fill the roll in the TNG Era as it did in the TMP era and replace the galaxy as the Flagship??
Wasnt the Constitution Class a "Heavy Cruiser", whereas the Galaxy Class is a "Battleship" ? I think if the ship was built brand new in the TNG-era, as a "Heavy Cruiser", it should definitely be able to be a decent match for an Intrepid Class (Light Cruiser). Both ships are also in a similar size, thou I think the Constitution Class would be a bit more maneuvrable.
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Its a very good point mate, I wonder if they did make a TNG Connie if it would remain in that classification however? What was a TMP Battleship? Excelsior?
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In canon terms, the Excelsior was the closest thing to it. In SFC terms, its a heavy cruiser with the Battleship being some sort of "thing" covered in phasers and warp nacelles.
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ok thats 2641 Polys,
In canon terms, the Excelsior was the closest thing to it. In SFC terms, its a heavy cruiser with the Battleship being some sort of "thing" covered in phasers and warp nacelles.
Ok so Im assuming that what DT said was accurate, a TNG Connie, would be on par with the Intrepid Class, but that being the case what role would it fill :? ??
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Well, if you want a better idea of TNG Connies, check out these:
http://bridgecommander.filefront.com/file/Shaandra_Pack;56217
The more accurate one is the one with more modern warp nacelles. It's armed with TNG phaser, photons and quantums.
If you are veering off the weaponry track, I'd imagine its for exploring.
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Thanks, that looks like an alternative ambassador other than a tng connie mind, the design for this will incorporate no features of ships avail.. ie, the same saucer etc, but will try to still keep a connie look in a TNG era... should prove to be interesting..
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we do know is that the connies were still in service during the battle of wolf 359 so if it was refitted it may have been later than that like just before the outbreak of the Dom war
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we do know is that the connies were still in service during the battle of wolf 359 so if it was refitted it may have been later than that like just before the outbreak of the Dom war
Ok, so thats good to know, but I was thinking of a TNG Rebuild not a refit, so a completely new ship.. in the TNG era .. but its still gotta be a connie :arms: not easy, but i reckon we can do this, with enough input 8)
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agreed must have connie characteristics to her. ok what do u guys think should we keep the overall warp engine design with more modern nacelle grilles and a bussard ramscoop (http://drs.battleclinic.com/downloads/parts/CE_22.jpg) perhaps along these lines but instead of tmp nacelle grilles we use the galaxy grilles.
Thoughts and comments on this idea
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A total rebuild? I like the idea. I've seen it done before:
http://davemetlesits.deviantart.com/art/Call-of-body-call-of-soul-85566510 (http://davemetlesits.deviantart.com/art/Call-of-body-call-of-soul-85566510)
But I never really cared for that version, it need a more classic look.
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The nacelle lowest down in the pic that 9thDawg posted looks the most promising. Still keeps the general style of the TMP nacelle, while obviously updating it for TNG-era appearance.
Maintaining the same general layout of the TMP connie, it's weapons compliment should end up around:
2 saucer phasers (dorsal and ventral)
1 belly phaser (under stardrive)
(and for TNG-era which tends to have additional phasers to cover all angles)
2 aft dorsal phasers (small ones on top, at back end of saucer)
2-4 pylon phasers (dorsal and/or ventral)
I would suggest a "round" forward torpedo tube in the neck of the ship, rather than the blocky dual torpedo tubes of the TMP version. Looks more modern, and we've seen several ships which can fire multiple torpedoes from a single tube (such as the Galaxy Class). Perhaps 1 forward tube, and 2 aft tubes (embedded into the hull underneath the stardrive).
Total weapons count:
7-9 phasers (depending on amount on pylons)
3 torpedo tubes
Additionally, both the saucer phasers can be split up into 3 phasers each (Ambassador-style), with 1 section facing forward, 1 facing left and 1 facing right. All and all, they would be as effective as a single "ring phaser", but will probably look better.
The Intrepid Class has 11 phasers and 4 torpedo tubes. So while both ships may be in the "Cruiser" section, the Intrepid would still be more heavily armed. Giving the TNG Connie a bit of an edge in maneuvrability and top speed would be an idea, and have shields on a similar level to the Intrepid.
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I would add small ambassador phaser strips. Also I would add two ports in the front giving the ship a slight kinda pulse phaser, slightly stronger than the other ones.
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Hurahh, it uploaded,
anyway, getting the connie 100% accurate to the studio model is proving to be time consuming imbetween my pre deployment training for another tour of afghan in oct,
anyway, she is coming along slowly, thought i should post so you knew i was still working on her 8)
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looking very good Marky
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:shock: she looks gorgeous so far! cant wait to see how this turns out
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Thanks fellas,
Did not realise until today that the connie has docking ports on one side only lol :)
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Do you mean the airlocks on the secondary hull or the bigger port on the portside of the saucer?
Looks great BTW. :D
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Do you mean the airlocks on the secondary hull or the bigger port on the portside of the saucer?
Looks great BTW. :D
I hope he meant the saucer lol
Looks great so far Mark!
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Lol
I mean the ones on the bottom of the neck structure.
And thanks :)
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really? i thought there was one on either side of the torp bay. and not just one?
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Yeah, there should be four on the secondary hull, two port and two starboard.
There are only two visable on the saucer section. One behind the bridge then the other is a large square hatch on the port side of the saucer section.
There isn't one on the opposite side for some reason on the Connie but there is on the Miranda. You can see the Enterprise connected to the drydock via the port saucer hatch in the Motion Picture.
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took the words outta my mouth :P
Forgot to shoot a cookie your way...and I'm glad this is comin along so well :)
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she shaping up very nice mate 8) cookie!
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Lol, thanks fellas :)
Wont be working on this now until monday night, where I will get the bridge sorted, its 4990 Poly's at the minute, and I wanna spend at least 15k.. so plenty more detail to come.
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hehehehehe
This is gonna be one of the most detailed connies EVER
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Yeah, there should be four on the secondary hull, two port and two starboard.
There are only two visable on the saucer section. One behind the bridge then the other is a large square hatch on the port side of the saucer section.
There isn't one on the opposite side for some reason on the Connie but there is on the Miranda. You can see the Enterprise connected to the drydock via the port saucer hatch in the Motion Picture.
http://www.st-bilder.de/datein/bilder/Modelle/Constitution/V2/gallery/B_MODELL_CONSTRHQ_050.jpg
there are in fact 2 docking ports on the ventral saucer section and if u watched TWOK u may have noticed the display panel showing the number 4 next to the airlock when kirk first comes aboard
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Only one ventral airlock has been shown, in the Motion Picture and that is hidden by hull plating most of the time.
My statement points out everything that is identifible as an airlock on screen from the studio model, but I believe in TWOK Kirk enters the portside torpedo bay airlock which can be seen on the studio model anyhow.
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So is there 2 or one? on the studio model it shows one on the port side of the neck / torp structure, but their definately is not one on the starboard side?? :?
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On the 6 foot model from the Christie's Auction, the engineering section, as well as the torpedo bay have a round docking port on both sides (4 in all). For the saucer, the port side section has a rectangular door, while the starboard area has no docking port of any kind.
http://www.st-bilder.de/datein/bilder/Modelle/Constitution/V2/gallery/B_MODELL_CONSTRHQ_174.jpg
http://www.st-bilder.de/datein/bilder/Modelle/Constitution/V2/gallery/B_MODELL_CONSTRHQ_108.jpg
The area back of the bridge also has a round docking port.
http://www.st-bilder.de/datein/bilder/Modelle/Constitution/V2/gallery/B_MODELL_CONSTRHQ_167.jpg
The large neck section built for closeups of the torpedoes firing, there is only one port docking port on the torpedo launcher. Anyone can confirm this by looking at the ST: 2 & ST:3 screencaps. This was a mistake, because they probably thought that no one would notice.
http://www.st-bilder.de/datein/bilder/Modelle/Constitution/V2/gallery/B_MODELL_CONSTROHQ_014.jpg
http://www.st-bilder.de/datein/bilder/Modelle/Constitution/V2/gallery/B_MODELL_CONSTROHQ_018.jpg
There are 2 airlocks on the ventral side of the saucer, though only one was used in TMP. Sorry for being too analytical, hope this helps! :)
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No, that helps allot mate... :lol:
so there is one on either side, thats all i need to know...
thanks for the post :D
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Sorry, am I missing the pictures here? I don't understand the layout of this thread.
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Sorry, am I missing the pictures here? I don't understand the layout of this thread.
The latest pic is in the middle of the 2nd page.
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markyd your connie is awesome. I hope someone makes a connie with it being half upgraded from the Original to Refit versions, that'd look neat.
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Firstly, I have been moving into a house over the past few weeks, that and training with up coming ops I have been a busy lad. But I had a few spare hours here and there, and a few tonight so I have cleaned up allot and started on the torps... tbh, not happy with them, but cant put my finger on it :?
The more I look at the images of the studio model, the more I re do mesh parts lol... cannon is a pain in the butt :lol:
and i still aint got it right :P
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Not bad Mark! Not bad at all! I so wish I had your modeling skills lol
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Get that bridge on their, now! :P The nacelles can wait. :D
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very awsome stuff mate, she looks excellent :D cookie
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She coming along nicely, cookie for you
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Hmmm, trying to figure out why you're not happy with the torps, but I'm not seeing it. Good luck with the rest of the ship though! :D
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I think I might have it: The hull going over and under the torp launchers themselves. Like with baz'z, shouldn't it stick out more?
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I'm torn between your's, Baz1701's and Wiley's refit WIPs.
Excellent work.
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I'm torn between your's, Baz1701's and Wiley's refit WIPs.
Excellent work.
Thanks mate, once she is finished I hope you enjoy 8)
I think I might have it: The hull going over and under the torp launchers themselves. Like with baz'z, shouldn't it stick out more?
Thanks for the input mate, but I cant see it... Im looking at all blueprints and ref images etc.... it matches, but I cant put my finger on it :shock:
She coming along nicely, cookie for you
very awsome stuff mate, she looks excellent :D cookie
Get that bridge on their, now! :P The nacelles can wait. :D
Not bad Mark! Not bad at all! I so wish I had your modeling skills lol
Thanks fellas... appreciate your comments... I really want to make a great connie and ur input is appreciated 8)
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Well, I'm hoping you haven't forgotten the two airlocks on the secondary hull (just above the pennant stripes) :P.
Either way I too am torn between the connies :shock:
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Well for me its so this one and adonis's but im keeping my faith in both as they are good mates to me, mark dude, hurry back remember's booze on me when u come down and stay the weekend!
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OK, here's what you screwed up with them torp tubes:
The inset wall isn't straight on the x axis, it goes the same V shape as the edge, the second thing is that small structure between the two torp tubes, it is a shape of a cross, and not that triangle you did as the horizontal part of it.
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Hi guys,
Things are slowing down here now, most of our training for our deployment to afghan is complete, so now its admin time, some leave then 7 months, wearing the desert kit again :)
Anyway the past few days have been generous enough for me to get back to my PC at home and work on the Connie, as I cannot work on it on the lappy..
Still allot to do, but thought I should show that this project still has a heart beat whilst I do. Take care fellas.
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It still looks better than mine. Good job! :)
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sure does look great.
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(http://secondthoughts.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/10/21/jawdrop.gif)
+cookie!
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It still looks better than mine. Good job! :)
I dont know we have to wait till he is done with the mesh to do a comparision
BTW welcome back
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Just goes to show with 3 versions of this ship recently undertaken just how popular the refit connie still is.
Great job mark, can't wait to see her nacelles.
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wait till u guys see our next project hehehehehe
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Just goes to show with 3 versions of this ship recently undertaken just how popular the refit connie still is.
Great job mark, can't wait to see her nacelles.
the thing's a work of genius. probert's the man.
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the first true space ship that wasnt made out of aircraft parts
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Thanks for all your kind comments fellas,
Dawgy the mesh is 100% right the way through and sits at 6900k Polies.
Baz & DJ ur both right, the ship is Iconic
Wiley, not sure about that, but thanks mate.
Billz. Hmmm hands him a tissue 8) lol
So the constitution project is all about making a TNG connie, before i attempted it again, I wanted to build the TMP connie, to try and get a full feel for the ship, I can see this project turning out really well with all your input, thanks fellas.(unfortunately, im not wiley so you may have to be patient with this one, but I do promise the best connie 100% for BC when im done, unless DJ decides to make one... 8))
I have spent the last 5 hours, adding in all phaser hp's and ship lights, and adjusting the mesh to keep it clean and low... still some mesh adjustments to make, such as underside large windows, etc, but then the necelles. :lol:
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wow is all i can say and such a low poly count
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you certainly needn't worry about me doing this any time soon. i don't really like doing canon stuff that often.
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u are better at designing your own ships like raven is with doin klingons aka HOK, E7
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This is truly awesome work. The community owes you, baz, and Wiley for bringing new life to this ship. :D
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that is one nice mesh. With your skills at smoothing, maybe you should throw in a few orion slave girl meshes...you know..without any clothes 8)
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Very slick!
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I have to agree with Starforce on this one 8)
Niiiice work on this Mark! Cookies away!
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Cookies away!
yes indeedy! :D
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:dance :dance :dance
have a cookie :D
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Amazing!
But it looks like the secondary hull docking port is in the wrong place. Unless it's just the way I'm looking at it (I'm in bed).
Been looking at pics and I think it needs to be moved back slightly.
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Thanks for all the comments fellas,
Not sure about the docking port I will look into that, will be doing some more this afternoon, hopefully she should be finished by this evening 8) and then Im going to map and texture as I go, so we may even get a texture update lol..
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Can't wait.
I'm not all too sure about the docking port myself but as soon as i saw the port it just didn't look right. I think it needs to go back slightly so it's in line with the end of the torpedo launcher exhaust vent or whatever that black thing is on the back of it! :lol:
Great job by the way!
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Before I moved on I looked into the docking port and it looks fine,
The other port on the main hull, is slightly off because it looks that way on the studio model, but the one you are referring too looks right.
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Those big underside windows added, also a wire, as I have had a few PM's asking about clean meshes etc.
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Great work.
Mark I was refering to the docking port on the secondary hull not the torpedo bay one.
You are really are doing this beauty justice anyhow. We are being spoiled by great Connies of all shapes and sizes :D
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Pretty wire. Great model :D
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Sorry fellas, Dawgy sent me a message regarding the Saucer thrusters that needed modelling in, with the shape of my saucer, and its low poly iterations, to include the RCS thrusters took more work than I thought, and now its time to cook dinner. No necelles tonight.
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hehehehehe
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Very slick ship there.
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Looking Stella brawd. Keep up the good work. What have you got up your sleeve for the next project i wonder :lol:
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Looking Stella brawd. Keep up the good work. What have you got up your sleeve for the next project i wonder :lol:
Thanks mate, TNG Connie next
I have the pylons done, Im not 100% happy with them yet, but once I am I will start on the necelles 8)
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If you intend to finish the TMP Connie fully, will you be making all Ent and Ent-A varients?
There were several colour changes in ST 1-6 of the Ent refit and Ent-A. I have been waiting for someone to implement them into one ultimate pack.
Also, chamfering on the neck and pylon edges of the TMP Connie? Finally, someone (markyd) is making her RIGHT 8) and I applaud you for it.
+cookie
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Marky is taking his time on this one it will be fully detailed the thrusters were my idea in part of this closeup shot of the RCS thrusters
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soo many beautiful details.... sooo crappy a video card i have... i sad :(
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Marky is taking his time on this one it will be fully detailed the thrusters were my idea in part of this closeup shot of the RCS thrusters
Ironically, that shot proves that the RCS thrusters were flush with the hull, not extruded.
While I'm not an expert on the TMP Constitution design (I haven't poured over images of it like I have The OS Constitution), this looks really good to me! Could you post a wireframe view of the area where the nacelle pylons meet the secondary hull? Connecting anything to a curved surface without smoothing errors is an egg I just haven't been able to crack, so any help would be appreciated.
Also, just an observation: You might want to increase the number of polys on the pylon near where it joins the secondary hull. It looks too low poly there at the moment.
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No problem mate, I recently did some reshaping in that area too.. currently building the necelles.
The RCS thrusters are already flush to the hull mind.
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That's a good looking mesh.
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currently building the necelles.
They're a @#$%^ to do...trust me, start out with a capsule and a chamfer box. ;)
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currently building the necelles.
They're a @#$%^ to do...trust me, start out with a capsule and a chamfer box. ;)
wish ida known that.. i tried building one for the hell of it, i got soo frustrated i started pulling hair
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currently building the necelles.
They're a @#$%^ to do...trust me, start out with a capsule and a chamfer box. ;)
Lol ur right they where a pain in the butt, their built now mind, I just need to unify, clean and sort the smoothing groups, got them done really low poly too without loosing detail etc.
That's a good looking mesh.
Thanks mate, creating clean meshes can be a pain but when ur done, you know you have done a great job and it should work excellently.
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exactly man.
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wish ida known that.. i tried building one for the hell of it, i got soo frustrated i started pulling hair
Lol ur right they where a pain in the butt, their built now mind, I just need to unify, clean and sort the smoothing groups, got them done really low poly too without loosing detail etc.
WickedZombie warned me about that a loooong time ago. That's the part on my one that took most the time to model. The shape is (in a lack of a better word) confusingly complex. I actually had to rebuild parts of it because every time I'd look at the ref pix, I'd find some new structure I didn't saw there before...ugh...
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The nacelles are a royal pain in the butt, just like the fantail.
Everyone has there own method of building them. I sure Mark's will complement the rest of this excellent ship.
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As previously stated in this thread, the necelles are a real pain to get right, that coupled by the fact that I want to keep them low poly as possible, at the minute each necelle weighs in at 700 poly's so like 1400triangles, when they are finished im expecting 1200 on each. Need to add detail and smooth them out etc.
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holy mother of cake thats beautiful
you have my envy and ur 100th cookie
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Thanks mate, oh and thanks to the *Unknown* cookie givers :)
So Like stated in this thread, with this ship you look at different angles and u notice summat is not right.. lol :P (ADONIS)
So im gonna be fiddeling with the necelles until theay are 100% clean and right.. off tomorrow mind up to sunny Scotland on the ranges prior to leave and deployment 8)
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Forgive the posting of pics on your thread but quickest way to point out what I see.
It appears there is alittle cylinder missing between the bussard and the hump
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yeah like i said mate there not done, stll adding plenty to them :)
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great work on her marky
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Thanks dude, more necelle work.. still very low poly which im happy with.
Still have some more detail to add, then I really need to clean them up a little more, have not sorted the smoothing groups yet. . its getting there, overall, have about 15% more work to do on the mesh, before i begin to map, and then on the side start sketching the concepts for the TNG CONNIE 8)
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Very nice lines on that Connie.
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Nacelles are still missing the blue "ball" just above the bussard area. You've made a great mesh thus far, but this is one detail I think you've missed out on adding :P
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Still have some more detail to add, then I really need to clean them up a little more, have not sorted the smoothing groups yet. . its getting there, overall, have about 15% more work to do on the mesh,
yeah like i said mate there not done, stll adding plenty to them :)
He knows.
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Man, and I thought the TOS Constitution engines were difficult to model!
*Listens as everyone around him laughs*
Shut up! I'm a n00b at modeling and you know it! :arms: :P
Anyway, this is looking great. I think you might want to increase the number of polys on the bridge module, though. It seems to be suffering a bit in that area.
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I love that you are continuing with the TMP Connie. I can't wait to see your concept of a TNG Connie.
+cookie
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always love ur work bro, u need to get on line more to msn so we can catch up!
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Thanks dude, more necelle work.. still very low poly which im happy with.
Still have some more detail to add, then I really need to clean them up a little more, have not sorted the smoothing groups yet. . its getting there, overall, have about 15% more work to do on the mesh, before i begin to map
She's amazing, Markyd. Truly beautiful. :]
concepts for the TNG CONNIE 8)
Holler if you want help or a second opinion. :]
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well i got an idea from my friend and fellow 9th fleet member farshot he was showing me sketches for a refit tng version of the JJprise was helpin him with the design but focusing on the nacelles some of ya may remember his thread hit me up marky on messenger if ya able to i want to show ya them
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Hey fellas, Just got back from scotland on the ranges.. worked with the US airforce up there too some AH pilots, and that. So big shout out to the US contingent as they were awsome blokes, not the first time I have worked with Multinational forces mind but worth mentioning.
Anyway....
hit me up marky on messenger if ya able to i want to show ya them
dont have messenger, on my web book mate. but ya got my email mate throw em at me.
She's amazing, Markyd. Truly beautiful. :]
concepts for the TNG CONNIE 8)
Holler if you want help or a second opinion. :]
Thanks mate, I will certainly try to bring your (out there) thinking for the hull / pylon design 8)
I love that you are continuing with the TMP Connie. I can't wait to see your concept of a TNG Connie.
+cookie
Thanks mate.. Like I said to start, if you want to really understand the connie to build a tng version.. you need to build the best version first.
Phaser - thanks ;)
always love ur work bro, u need to get on line more to msn so we can catch up!
Cheers mate, no msn at the minute.. but would be nice to catch up ;)
Still have some more detail to add, then I really need to clean them up a little more, have not sorted the smoothing groups yet. . its getting there, overall, have about 15% more work to do on the mesh,
yeah like i said mate there not done, stll adding plenty to them :)
He knows.
Lol... thanks.. yeah I know mates.. the detail will come :)
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Been busy recently, but had time today to finish the necelles, their now 100% unified and smoothing groups are done.
I now need to finish of small details, alter the pylons slightly and she is almost meshed out I reckon.
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thats a sexxy beast right thurrr marky
have a cookie buddy
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Meh. Its okay I guess. Not cookie worthy though.
I am kidding. I love it and can't wait to play with it. +cookie
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Beautiful work Marky!
Cookie
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looking great marky
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Thanks fellas, Dawg noticed a discrepancy with the pylons which has been fixed, and thanks to Jules for pointing out some detail that was missing on the necelle (they are a pain 8))
Ok, so I am now almost there, just deciding now what extra details to add, the balance between the poly mesh and the textures.. what I would like from you guys is the texture variations between the different connies cos I kinda just dont know the diff, and I want to make ther varients before I move onto the TNG connie, which i cant wait to show you. Also correct font type for the hull of the connie.
Thanks.
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Lol looking at that wip i need to fix the bottom of the pylon, doing that now, and going to add some detail to the pylons too.
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lookin great marky
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No offense intended to Baz's connie, WZ and Moons Connie, and LC's Excelsiors which have all stood the test of time....but we now have the best Connie, and Excelsior class ships to ever roam the screens of any star trek game EVER!!! These ships are spectacular...and the Connie has no textures yet whatso ever and isn't even unwrapped yet!!!
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So, I am just about done with the mesh, needs some slight tweeks here and there but I need to get started on the textures.
Final poly count is 11036.
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Hope i can catch up with u soon bro, need u to take alook at my connie hull - its just not looking right ingame (smoothing wise i think)
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Beautiful mesh man.
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is it my eyes or the phaser banks above the shuttlebay are missing?
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is it my eyes or the phaser banks above the shuttlebay are missing?
i THINK i can see them. i had to zooom in like crazy but i think i see them
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Yep they're there. ;)
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At only 11k that is a beautifully constructed mesh. Wish every mesh was as optimized as that.
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Thanks allot guys for all your comments, greatly appreciated. :)
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all I have to say is...
Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayummmmmmmmmmmmmmm!
COOKIE!
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Dawg, was kinda persistant in his P's regarding the RCS Thruster assy along the ship, he pointed some out so i modeled them in, then during an MSN convo with miles he said "If ya want me to be picky...!!!" he pointed out the remaining RCS thrusters I had missed, kudos to you both and to show, they are on and 100% to the studio model, even on the aft of the pylon that you cannot see :)
Again thanks for the cookies guys :)
Question:-
On the studio model the Botanical Garden windows are black? so, I have to assume that the ship was not hollow in that area and all detail was CGI in the way of a texture of sumkind? what i need is a good ref of this and other windows around the ship, also the rear observation lounge??
I am also using the font FederationBold which is the most accurate for most of the hull writing, bar the registry No, any help in this area is also greatly appreciated.
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Beautiful ship :)
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The lighting was at the top of the Garden....it's best viewed from TMP and TWOK during the beauty passes. As for the inside, there aren't too many reference pictures of the Garden...at least I've never been able to find any (anyone else with reference photos please shut me up :P). Your best bet is to look at the Polar Lights model of the beauty for reference.
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What eclipse said. The pics of the studio model are, after all, unlit. The blue lighting is really only seen in the shot where the Enterprise passes over the camera in TMP before warping out at the end of the movie.
Fantastic work on the thrusters, by the way! :D
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Goodness gracious me, that is utterly gorgeous. There's something about this connie above all else that screens "ACCURACY" it really hit home in the RCS pics. Radiant.
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http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/tmphd/tmphd0378.jpg
on the side docking hatch, what does that number on the bottom refer too?
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hatch no's one on the bridge, one on the saucer rim, 2 on the neck and 2 on the hull..
no 1 the bridge,
no 2 the saucer rim,
no 3 & 4 neck
no's 5 & 6 ,main hull 8)
going to work on the observation lounge and the garden next.
ahh the things you learn when you take ur time 8)
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This is just awesome work markyd. When it comes time to porting, let me know if you need a hand. I've got max 3.1.
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Good looking impulse drive...is the grille modeled or textured?
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Cookie for you, good sir. :D
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I am also using the font FederationBold which is the most accurate for most of the hull writing, bar the registry No, any help in this area is also greatly appreciated.
Catch me on MSN for those ;)
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well im gone for 10 days and u done this holy cow marky u done it again love those impulse engines and the thrusters are great
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http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/tmphd/tmphd0378.jpg
on the side docking hatch, what does that number on the bottom refer too?
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hatch no's one on the bridge, one on the saucer rim, 2 on the neck and 2 on the hull..
no 1 the bridge,
no 2 the saucer rim,
no 3 & 4 neck
no's 5 & 6 ,main hull 8)
going to work on the observation lounge and the garden next.
ahh the things you learn when you take ur time 8)
U forgot the docking ports on the ventral saucer (see first TMP movie)
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well im gone for 10 days and u done this holy cow marky u done it again love those impulse engines and the thrusters are great
U forgot the docking ports on the ventral saucer (see first TMP movie)
Thanks mate, just got back from Greece, so will be working on this heavily over the next few days.
You will have to point them out to me mate, as im unsure as to where you mean exactly.
I am also using the font FederationBold which is the most accurate for most of the hull writing, bar the registry No, any help in this area is also greatly appreciated.
Catch me on MSN for those ;)
Thanks mate, I will get on ASAP.
Cookie for you, good sir. :D
Cheers mate
This is just awesome work markyd. When it comes time to porting, let me know if you need a hand. I've got max 3.1.
Thanks DJ, I really appreciate the offer.
Good looking impulse drive...is the grille modeled or textured?
Thanks mate, It's textures mate. I have finished with the mesh.
Thanks for all your comments and help fellas, I just got back from greece and am looking forward to a few long days with coffe on these textures over the next few days. While I was on holiday I managed to finish the sketches for the TNG Connie on some "Post-It's" too lol..
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here ya go mate there be 2 of these ports
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Ahh, are they marked or identified on the hull in any way? or just blended in with the rest of the hull pattern?
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if you look at the ventral schematics of the ship you'll see that they have a line through the middle of them that denotes that they fold inward to reveal the docking port...
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if you look at the ventral schematics of the ship you'll see that they have a line through the middle of them that denotes that they fold inward to reveal the docking port...
Ah ok, I have now seen this, although these docking ports are not really not docking ports as such, and therefore my original numbering was correct,
no 1 the bridge,
no 2 the saucer rim,
no 3 & 4 neck
no's 5 & 6 ,main hull
and 2 x aux's hatches or whatever they are on the underside of the saucer.
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Shouldn't the impulses be more orangey red?
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most ref's I find are orangey yellow, so if you can prove it mate, i will be happy to change it.
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I'm just thinking it should be less yellow and more orange.
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I would normally agree with you mate.. but
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/twokhd/twokhd0299.jpg
is the best impulse engine image i can find, and you guys know me, im happy to change stuff if you all agree.
Thanks Dalek.
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Well, comparing your two images.
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Yeah, I'm in agreement with Kirk. And it looks like there should be a slight black rim outside the edge.
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quite right, Dalek was correct, a more orrange hue it is.
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Yeah, I'm in agreement with Kirk. And it looks like there should be a slight black rim outside the edge.
The black edge is already there.
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Then the black rim on the left and right needs to be thicker.
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heres the impulse engines from ST VI
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hmm. i never noticed that red glow on the engine on the side. here's a more full picture of it. Anyone know what that is?
edit... in the second pic from slightly earlier in the film it appears yellow.
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My guess is just lighting. When it comes to models its very hard to keep the lighting exactly the same.
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My guess is just lighting. When it comes to models its very hard to keep the lighting exactly the same.
or the shot with the redder impulse engine is just sulu with his foot down? :D
Mabye it's redder when under heavy load (like a car engine having the sh*t revved out of it) and more yellowish when it's just idling or under less load?
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that is a very logical conclusion too bad it couldnt be implimented in BC
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Actually, I think the bright yellowish orange is full impulse. My reasoning for that is that close up shot of the impulse drive in TMP is just after Kirk orders impulse power.
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Thanks for all your input fellas greatly appreciated, Like DJ said with that red glow on the side of the necelles, is this always red? Also I think i will make the impulse a more orange as requested and post a pic shortly under more normal lighting conditions. also I cannot find a pic where the sensor dome on the underside of the saucer is glowing or illuminated? So I am assuming it does not glow or anything.?? :?
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The sensor dome is not iluminsted. There are a couply of little lights in the black recessed areas but that is it.
I did add a glow map toit on mine but on review it is now a glow source.
As for the nacelle on the TMP Enterprise (and all future uses of the model) the only part on the nacelle that glowed was the inboard re-grill. And that only glowed blue under warp. The rest of the grills remained black / dark grey.
As for the impulse engine take a look at my refit as I used a screen cap for the texture of the engine glow.
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Thanks mate, I have made the impulse engines more orangey, but to be honest, every image I find of them is different, so I will sit in the middle for now and mess with that later, I have finished the detail on either side of the shuttle bay, and used a little artistic licence with its layout, but I think it looks ok.
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Going to work on the shuttle bay doors next.. question, where does the light eminate from to illuminate, the scribe of "enterprise" under the shuttle bay?
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Not sure there is a reg light on the fantail Enterprise. I added one as artistic licence. If there is one it is an extra light shined on the model,
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Think your right mate... looked at lots of ref's and it seems to be an added light that eminates from no where :shock: Looks good for TV 8)
Thanks for ur input i will leave it unluminated.
These are basic illums, I want to glow them and shade them to other surfaces to show glow effects etc, so lots more to come from these eventually.
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Finished the shuttle bay area, Pylons and grills next. (sorry for the double post JB)
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Very pretty and detailed. keep it up! :D
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Thanks mate,
Just so you all know, I am not 100% with converting ships to BC so Dalek has taken this on board to HP accurately and convert to bc usage, he is also finishing off the Atraiu after Wiley's input.
This could be the start of a beautifull team.
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Thanks mate,
Just so you all know, I am not 100% with converting ships to BC so Dalek has taken this on board to HP accurately and convert to bc usage, he is also finishing off the Atraiu after Wiley's input.
This could be the start of a beautifull team.
WE! NEED! MORE! SCREENSHOTS!! :)
Quite allie though I must say ;)
Version in dpm? :P
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Lol, Jimmy will not be impressed with ur kitty in the siggy :D lol
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Good move bring Dalek in for your HP's. He has done a blinding job on my JJ-refit.
And I'm loving the updates as they come in.
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Looks absolutely awesome!
Been gettin sick of all these constitution meshs being made currently, however you've just changed my mind :D The model and textures so far are incredible, in my opinion, this is definitely the best constitution class out there.
Cookie!
~Jb
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Looks absolutely awesome!
Been gettin sick of all these constitution meshs being made currently, however you've just changed my mind :D The model and textures so far are incredible, in my opinion, this is definitely the best constitution class out there.
Cookie!
~Jb
Agreed this is the best Connie I've seen but lets not stamp on the little guys who have cut there teeth on this ship, one of who is me (3 JJprises, one TMP refit, one TOS and one JJ-refit). And Wileys is also a fine example of this ship too.
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Looks absolutely awesome!
Been gettin sick of all these constitution meshs being made currently, however you've just changed my mind :D The model and textures so far are incredible, in my opinion, this is definitely the best constitution class out there.
Cookie!
~Jb
Thanks JB, means allot.. and not to undermine Baz, but I kinda live for making the best I can, "I always want to make the best!!!" who does not? we are all here to make the best we can and I really have worked hard on this ship and if someone says its the best he has seen i will take that in my stride and say thank you very much!!
I will of course not take that without credit to the other meshes already seen here, and with a great input from this community as a whole.. modelers would be nowhere without a community to feed on.. so thank you all., for everything.. if i could drop a COOKIE mine i would :) :arms:
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here here.
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here here.
Hear Hear! *cookied*
But I still want my DPM :arms:
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DPM?
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DPM?
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=DPM (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=DPM)
The wiki entry is the one you want :P
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Looks absolutely awesome!
Been gettin sick of all these constitution meshs being made currently, however you've just changed my mind :D The model and textures so far are incredible, in my opinion, this is definitely the best constitution class out there.
Cookie!
~Jb
Agreed this is the best Connie I've seen but lets not stamp on the little guys who have cut there teeth on this ship, one of who is me (3 JJprises, one TMP refit, one TOS and one JJ-refit). And Wileys is also a fine example of this ship too.
Yeah my intention was not to slate any modders making the connie, it's just this has a high standard to it. There's just been so many connie's been released the past few months, it would be good for something else to be released other than another connie. Either that or instead of releasing each version every few weeks, keep rebuilding your meshes privately until you think that you cannot get any better at that particular ship.
Anyways, the finished version of this will be unbelieveable! :D
~Jb
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whats the poly count on her now?
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I wont avoid the fact that the connie, has been over done.. it has and we need some originality, we do and we will. But to do something right is an "Art" and before i model the TNG connie I knida wanna show that I Can make this bad boy properly, I dont know its like going out and drawing a sketch... DJ made the best Galaxy right?? undoubtedly.... well I would like to try and stamp my mark on the connie. make a standard, if I can.... Why else would "Us modelers be here!!!".....
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I wont avoid the fact that the connie, has been over done.. it has and we need some originality, we do and we will.
Each modeler is unique and each has its talents. Not everyone can be good at doing everything.
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From page 7...
So, I am just about done with the mesh, needs some slight tweeks here and there but I need to get started on the textures.
Final poly count is 11036
No change.. Im working on the textures. 8)
Again thanks to everyone for u comments, all input is appreciated.
Wiley & DJ Kudos to u both 8)
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Each modeler is unique and each has its talents. Not everyone can be good at doing everything.
Indeed. And if we had 1 modeler that could do everything, we wouldn't need more than 1. Variety is the spice of life after all :)
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Really beautiful.
Outstanding work, this truly raises the bar.
Cookie
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Model looks spiffing old chap :)
You on arrse mate?
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Thanks allot guys.. hmmm was i rambling yersterday, lol i had a drink or two 8)
Model looks spiffing old chap :)
You on arrse mate?
Not sure what that is mate?
Not going to be doing anything with the connie today, got a list of things to do around the house, but I will get back to her tomorrow. Again thanks for all your comments.
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About the TNG connie,
Try to avoid using Galaxy class nacelles or anything that even looks close to being Galaxy class nacelles. People thought in the past that by using Galaxy class nacelles on any ship, it makes it TNG era. Not so. It looks, well to be perfectly honest, lazy.
I'm not sure what else I can give you feedback on.
TMP Connie looks brilliant. Can't wait to fight off the Reliant with this beauty.
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Thanks allot guys.. hmmm was i rambling yersterday, lol i had a drink or two 8)
Model looks spiffing old chap :)
You on arrse mate?
Not sure what that is mate?
Not going to be doing anything with the connie today, got a list of things to do around the house, but I will get back to her tomorrow. Again thanks for all your comments.
www.arrse.co.uk (http://www.arrse.co.uk)
Unofficial army forums. Plenty of random chatter, rumours and other things :)
*cookied*
How're you with mapping/texturing?
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That would be a yes. See attached. :P
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here ya go marky the nacelle grilles and note the very fine details around the grille above and below oh and this will give ya an idea on what color the vents are
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that atrium thing is new to me :0
Some sort of TOS nova I'm guessing?
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that atrium thing is new to me :0
Some sort of TOS nova I'm guessing?
http://bc-central.net/forums/index.php/topic,5175.100.html
Its all there mate.
That would be a yes. See attached. :P
Looks good mate, think I will adjust the speculars though when ur done with the HP.
here ya go marky the nacelle grilles and note the very fine details around the grille above and below oh and this will give ya an idea on what color the vents are
Thanks mate.
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About the TNG connie,
Try to avoid using Galaxy class nacelles or anything that even looks close to being Galaxy class nacelles. People thought in the past that by using Galaxy class nacelles on any ship, it makes it TNG era. Not so. It looks, well to be perfectly honest, lazy.
I'm not sure what else I can give you feedback on.
TMP Connie looks brilliant. Can't wait to fight off the Reliant with this beauty.
I defently think that your placing your stamp on one of the best star ship designs evey. Like what DJ did with the Galaxy, your knocking the connie right out of the park. Cookie!!
Also i agree with Bills, i'v seen lots of next gen connie refit, but there all jest changing the nacelle and adding 24 century phasers, not even placing the phaser strips, jest adding to the TMP emitter HPs.
An idea if you wouls like would be this. Its the Excalibur from STO. Personally i love the idea behind it. Most of the STO ship are FRAKKEN ugly, but this has a TMP classy touch. The nacelles i think would need more work, Vivace Class nacelles with some modification would be sweet. But the rest of the ship is great. I seen a side pic in a mag a week or so ago where they showed the neck profile. Your TMP neck would look mush better on her. What they did, you can see the torpedo launchers, wile the rest of the neck looks like that all the way up, jest an ugly triangle. Like i said, this is jest an idea.
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Little more.
The TNG connie, will not be like I did the Gagarin, i.e a blend of tng elements such as necelles with an abassador saucer on a tmp body, its is going to be a very original design, which will cause some upset im sure lol, however it will stick with the two necelle, 2 pylons, hull, neck and saucer motiff.. :)
I enjoy reading ur ideas.
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Lookin' good. :D
that atrium thing is new to me :0
Some sort of TOS nova I'm guessing?
Nope. The Atraiu is like...the Excalibur of the TOS universe. :P
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It's ugly...god aweful!
*secretly cookies due to the actual awesomeness that is the Enterprise!* :P
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The TNG connie, will not be like I did the Gagarin, i.e a blend of tng elements such as necelles with an abassador saucer on a tmp body, its is going to be a very original design
oooh! that sounds cool - i cant wait to see it :)
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gonna need to redo those nacelle grille the inboard side it doesnt light up all the way across the grille when u look at this image take a close look at the tail end of the nacelle grille
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dawg... trek core prevents linking directly to imgs... you have to upload them here.
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damn... ive missed alot.... buuuuuut.
HOLYFRIGGINCRAPOLATHATLOOKSSWEEEEET!!!!
all one word.... :D
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9thDawg's right about that glow though, however, that is fantastic work so far.
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Ahhh, Ya see i knew there was summat up with the necelle grill, just could not find a descent pic of the actuall glow, I am redoing them today anyway as I dont like them.
Thanks fellas.
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Ok, redrawn, the necelle grills this morning on both sides, and as Dawg pointed out, the glow was incorrect so I fixed that, it needs to have more of as curvature also I have just noticed, but I will do this later, as I want to do those front grills and the deflector. Nicely pointed out Dawgy.
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Deflector is done, I know the shade looks off, but thats because of the scene lighting, its not that bright blue on the texture and that will show when I start adjusting the illum map, and getting rid of the skylight in later renders.
3 posts in a row Im gonna be in trouble soon :D
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Then let me get in there before it is a 4th and say look very sweet there.
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Also, don't take a "lack of replies" to mean a "lack of interest". Far from it actually, this is one of the (if not THE) best looking TMP Constitution Class i've seen to date. And that's saying alot given that the CG Sovereign, and SNS Galaxy (nowadays DJ Galaxy) are also up at the "top of the line" ship models for BC.
DJ, Wiley and Markyd are the "modern day" CG and SNS modellers imho. Not saying other modellers are crap, but these guys are among the best.
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Thanks fellas 8)
So that garden on the underside, I was looking at ref's and from different angles you always see different shades of colour, and I thought the only way Im gonna achieve that is to model an interior, but I want to keep the poly count low, so I have modelled in two inverted traingle shaped boxes, it adds 12 polys to the mesh as a total so it wont break the bank. I think this gives enough of the effect, without modelling interiors etc. So I now have the effect, but the textures I have in place are going to be changed or modified atleast at some point.
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hey marky i just realized i forgot something to show ya hope its not o late there are 2 deflector dishes that were used on the studio model the first 2 pics are from TWOK and the last pic is from TUC look around the deflector and compare its up to u on what style u want to go with
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Those tiny bits are still there on TUC. Just not glowing anymore.
If you take a good look at the bottom of the deflector on that 3rd pic you'll see them ;)
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Well, Mark has finished with the model (as mentioned on a number of pages) so I'm assuming Dawg is thinking texture wise.
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The difference would be to add a glow or not to add a glow ^^
That's texturewise as far as I am concerned :P
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I cant tell the difference between the two :shock:
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There no big difference.
The blue dots around the deflector are glowing on one pic and on the other they're not. ;)
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actually they are there on all 3 pics...
you can just see them near the bottom of the large deflector on the last pic.
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That's what I said at the top of this page, lol xD
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They are glowing, just you can't notice it well because of the lighting.
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Hmmm anyway I will make them "glowing" I think for certain
Quite funny actually after looking on where those lights around the deflector needed to be on my mesh I realised that on my model it was a little narrow.. so I adjusted somewhat, but cant go any further without adjusting "too much of the mesh" at this point.
** edit**
after looking at more pics, i noticed those fins on the deflector were more narrow than mine, so for the last time i have drawn a new deflector.. ***2nd img**
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wonderful work there :D
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Agreed! She's looking great so far :D
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Indiddly. I hope I can do her justice with the hp. Otherwise I'll get whipped... :?
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Awesome :D
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. Otherwise I'll get whipped... :?
Yes you will oh yes you will :mrgreen:
Looks damned good. And I'm sure the HP will be just as good!
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Indiddly. I hope I can do her justice with the hp. Otherwise I'll get whipped... :?
thats right hehehehe
Looking great Marky
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Indiddly. I hope I can do her justice with the hp. Otherwise I'll get whipped... :?
or you could cheat and use one of mine 8)
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Indiddly. I hope I can do her justice with the hp. Otherwise I'll get whipped... :?
or you could cheat and use one of mine 8)
Uh, no. Brand new hp for a brand new ship.
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Indiddly. I hope I can do her justice with the hp. Otherwise I'll get whipped... :?
or you could cheat and use one of mine 8)
Uh, no. Brand new hp for a brand new ship.
I have to agree.. a shiny new HP for a shiny new ship, and we can balance it perfectly once its tested to bugery 8)
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finished the insignia, took a while to draw it accurate to the studio model, but done.. and the front sections are mostly mapped so lots of pics tonight. :D
*modify*
Also adjusted the impusle engines.. (they now have a blend of all screenies I have seen) I think it works well, and should satisfy all the talk about them like 3 pages ago i think :)
Sorry that the updates are in small portions, but i want this to look right.. and there is no point in taking 10 steps forward only to be told to change certain elements.
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im drooling down a river
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Thanks mate, last one for tonight, I will start again early tomorrow..
tomorrow i will finish the front rim, and map the main hull :) Yay
But now i need food, and sleep :)
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i have lost the will to say anything about this -> me=speechless
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Thanks mate..
little more today, I now have the hull mapped and mirrored neatly, started to texture some shapes on it, the colours are far off but at this point i just want there positioning and scale etc.
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Looking fantastic brawd face. Hope you aint getting earache from her indoors for all the time your spending at your computer :lol:
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& Davies78 Thanks brawd, she is away in Portugal :)
Dwin mynd a MSN heno ma, os ti eisio fy album na.
Ok guys a very minor bit of detail added, again to get comfortable with the shapes and colours, wont have allot of time to work on this as I am about to deploy to Afghan shortly, so I will see what I can get done before I go.
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& Davies78 Thanks brawd, she is away in Portugal :)
Dwin mynd a MSN heno ma, os ti eisio fy album na.
Ok guys a very minor bit of detail added, again to get comfortable with the shapes and colours, wont have allot of time to work on this as I am about to deploy to Afghan shortly, so I will see what I can get done before I go.
Ti'n siarad cymraeg???!!?!?
:D
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Wahoo, Welsh lol. :P
Looking pretty there.
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Wahoo, Welsh lol. :P
Looking pretty there.
not another one!!!
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Really starting to look like the finished article now brawd can not wait to see it finished.
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Wahoo, Welsh lol. :P
Looking pretty there.
not another one!!!
No actually, I just have a fondness for Wales and Welsh people. :P
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Hurahh, Yndw dwin siarad cymraeg :D
Ahhh good old welsh, comes in handy in the forums now and again when you need to say summat you should not. :)
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Hurahh, Yndw dwin siarad cymraeg :D
Ahhh good old welsh, comes in handy in the forums now and again when you need to say summat you should not. :)
damn right it is :)
I'm a tad rusty mind you. Up until i was 8 years old I only spoke welsh..no english...
I never thought I live to see the day I met a welsh speaking squaddie who was also a trek aficionando! and did modelling too.
Cookie for my bro'!
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Ydw, yn awr yn ?l i'r Saesneg ac ar y pwnc. :P
If I got that wrong here's the English xD: Yes, now back to english and on topic. :P
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Ydw, yn awr yn ?l i'r Saesneg ac ar y pwnc. :P
If I got that wrong here's the English xD: Yes, now back to english and on topic. :P
I'm pretty sure that wasn't quite right..
If I remember correctly "ydw" is more "i agree" than a simple "yes", "awr" means "hour" not "now".
Close though.
You meant
"Ie, ac nawr yn ?l i'r saesneg a'r pwnc. "
I have a feeling that isn't quite right either..
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you appear to talking in an dialect alien to the humble Englishman!!! :wink:
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you appear to talking in an dialect alien to the humble Englishman!!! :wink:
Ti'n iawn yn deud 'na :P
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Lol, very shortly Jimmy is gonna be in here kicking some asses I reckon, ( i was tempted to say that in welsh :lol:)
Anyway, nice to see some welsh being thrown around,
Back on topic, do you guys reckon those deflector fins need to be darker? it does not look right still :(
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Lol, very shortly Jimmy is gonna be in here kicking some asses I reckon, ( i was tempted to say that in welsh :lol:)
Anyway, nice to see some welsh being thrown around,
Back on topic, do you guys reckon those deflector fins need to be darker? it does not look right still :(
I don't think so. I think that the center white bit is too bright and doesn't seem to be touching the tips of the black fins in the screen caps about 2 pages ago.
Shrink the white bit and darken it very slightly I'd say.
WTF!!! just realised my sig has gone!!! :x
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Dw i'n siarad cymraeg! Dw i'n byw yn Aberafan!
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Dw i'n siarad cymraeg! Dw i'n byw yn Aberafan!
perhaps our taff chatter should be in another thread no?
Dwi'n dod o Caerffili :P
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Lol...
Dwin byw yn Chester rwan, on mae'n Tad a brawd yn Byw yn Llanfairfechan. 8)
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Caerdydd...
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Lol, who would have ever thought that this many BC members speak welsh 8)
This rocks, and my mam would be proud :D
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Lol...
Dwin byw yn Chester rwan, on mae'n Tad a brawd yn Byw yn Llanfairfechan. 8)
bloody small world. My grandfather used to live in Llanfairfechan! I spent nearly all my school holidays there as a boy.
Hell, we should make an online clan!
Free Welsh Army anyone? :lol:
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[offtopic]Now, it'll be hilarious if Jimmy were to come in and actually throw in some welsh also :P I unfortunately, only speak good ol' american bad english :D[/offtopic]
They look alright to me Marky...
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No..what would be hilarious is if he complained about your spelling..in welsh. :wtf :funny
Anyways..I think we should put this thread back on topic. Got any more of those crap your pants beautifull wip shots?
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Not yet mate..
More screenies when I get some time work work on her.
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Not yet mate..
More screenies when I get some time work work on her.
siomedig :D
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onko pakko puhua kielt? jota kukaan ei ymm?rr?? :roll :D
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"ENGLISH MOTHAF*CKA DO YOU SPEAK IT??!?!??!"
jk guys. :)
i give cookie to who gets the name of the actor responsible for that quote...
now i need to watch that movie...
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ppfft. must be Samuel L Jackson.
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ppfft. must be Samuel L Jackson.
Pulp Fiction - Samuel L Jackson. :)
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it was either from that one or the one where he swipes a scottish castle. either way, big fro alert.
besides...that like would ONLY go to/with a badass like Jackson.
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Due to training etc, and deployment to afghan in the next 4 weeks I wont be posting any updates on this for at least 6 months.
Jimmy or any mod / admin can you please lock this thread until i get back, I love spam at the best of times, but not 6 months worth ;)
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Due to training etc, and deployment to afghan in the next 4 weeks I wont be posting any updates on this for at least 6 months.
Take care mate, and come back in one piece ;)
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good luck
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Thanks fellas :)
Hey Jules, catch ya on the flip side bro.. keep those ships comin, and share them too (or at least pics of ur work) :evil
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take care marky - we'll all be here when you get back! :)
looking forward to your return mon ami! :D
ill go ahead and temporarily lock this thread for the time being, lemme know whenever youd like it reopened...
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topic unlocked due to MarkyD's request :D
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Thanks Neb. :thumbsup: Update coming soon ;)
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hey stranger welcome back! can't wait to catch up with ya
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Howdy Marky ;) good to see you're still working on this beauty
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Can?t wait :yay:
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Thanks for the welcome back fellas.
So, the Connie unfortunately i managed to lose. It really put me on a downer when i did lose it and I swore that it was such a pain to build I would not bother again with a connie. :nono:
That said, many moons later, I am making a new one, with more polies & more accuracy. Since the last build I have gotten a little better so where else to put all those hours of practice eh... Objective remains the same, make a great connie then build a proper TNG connie.
Early wips, but I am taking my time on her and thought i should post summat since I asked the thread to be unlocked.
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Sweet ! great restart ;) have cookie
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That's gonna be an impressive piece of work.
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WB Marky. Glad to see u decided to rebuild the connie
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looks good, which refs are you using?
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Sweet ! great restart ;) have cookie
:D Thanks "NOM NOM NOM!"
That's gonna be an impressive piece of work.
Thanks allot DJ.
WB Marky. Glad to see u decided to rebuild the connie
Cheers matey, in regard to your PM you will have to post some ref's as to what you mean :thumbsup:
looks good, which refs are you using?
Thanks, & I'm eyballing the Christies Auction studio model mate.
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this source helped me a lot
http://bruce-domain.blogspot.com/2010/10/studio-model-reference-part-10-other.html
But remember the refit was more green and ILM painted it blue.
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That will come in handy mate, thank you very much :hi:
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Here is a comparrison of the different colour schemes from the Refit to the Ent-A.
(and for a little bit of shameless advertising my Ent-A will be coming soon :P)
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Now that is what I call detail. :thumbsup:
Very nice start on the old girl.
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Thanks for the comments on the Connie, I am currently away on another military comms course. Don't have the Connie mesh with me so decided last week to start a side project whilst i was away, it developed well. As such I present you with the beast!!! :evil: She is 100% clean, all unified, as shown in the wires :thumbsup:
She still has a way to go, the bottom needs mesh work and the rear, and the top needs finishing off.. but thought i would share ;)
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Awesome! I was just thinking the other day we could use a newer Defiant Class. She's gorgeous :thumbsup:
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Very nice. Great detail. :drink2:
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Looking really good. :dance Have you seen Saquist's thread in Art Forum? Might help you to refine her a bit more. http://bc-central.net/forums/index.php/topic,8350.0.html (http://bc-central.net/forums/index.php/topic,8350.0.html)
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Yay Defiant!
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She looks great :thumbsup: I was wondering who's gonna be first to build new Defiant model after Saquist's research ;)
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Looks wicked sweet!
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Ship sizes in Trek have always been a bit ambiguous (at least before Voyager) and Trek enthusiasts have had to make due with using side-by-side comparisons and angular shots from the shows to extrapolate dimensions. Since the advent of good CG, this has become less of an issue (JJ Trek aside :P). However, the ship that gets the most attention for its size is the Defiant class. There are estimates that range from 120m to just over 200. That's a fair gap even for TrekLore which is positively fuzzy on dimensions, anyway.
I propose that as Trek fans (and hardcore ones, at that :yay:) WE come up with the dimensions that we wish it to be. After all, the old Trek canon has become obsolete, to an extent. So we can come up with any number we wish the Defiant to be, and hold it at that. I believe that since Trek canon is now going out the window (thanks to JJ), fans of the original timeline of Trek can stipulate the terms of what was and continue the original vein of the series as we see fit.
As it stands, the dimensions of the Defiant can have been put forth as:
120.5026 meters
170.8068 meters
200.0000 meters
These are what Saquist has extrapolated, and he has done (by far) the most intense study of the Defiant that I have yet seen.
Mark, I don't mean to hijack your thread, but I would consider this a perfect time to have a real debate on the dimensions of the class and have a concise and concrete decision on the subject. Perhaps this could be carried over to the Saquist thread (http://bc-central.net/forums/index.php/topic,8350.0.html) for the purposes of cohesiveness. I'm not looking for arguments on the subject, just a plain basic vote.
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oh she pretty.
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I always thought the ship was around 180?
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Great. Its was time for a new one. BTW, what happened to your Runabout. Would be a great DS9 Pack... ;)
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Thanks fellas. I am not too fussed about the scale and stuff to be honest, I am just eyeballing it and doing the best re creation I can without going OTT on poly count.
Great. Its was time for a new one. BTW, what happened to your Runabout. Would be a great DS9 Pack... ;)
The Runabout mate I still have, just need to texture the underside and she is finished.
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No offence to you MarkyD, it's a beautiful ship. All these people are saying we need a new Defiant, but I thought Lint's Defiant was fairly new, and very high detail.
Or am I completely out of the loop again?
EDIT: Wow, really? Lint's Defiant was released in 2008? To be honest it doesn't seem very dated to me... Maybe we could use a new one afterall.
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Hmmm,,,, Runabout, Defiant, you wouldn't be heading toward a certain old Cardassian station I know of for your next project? :D
Would make a nice DS9 Pack.
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Oh wow very cool!
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one of the few tng ships i've attempted to make :( Never could do it, such a pain!
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Hmmm,,,, Runabout, Defiant, you wouldn't be heading toward a certain old Cardassian station I know of for your next project? :D
Would make a nice DS9 Pack.
Just what I was thinking!
Cookie.
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Thanks fellas, and thanks for the cookie :) The DS9 is certainly on the to do list :thumbsup:
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Double Post :facepalm:
Jimmy can tell me off later :bitch: lol
Anyway I have a question, The Rear nacelles of the defiant are actually a hollow structure, and that honey comb meshing is at the front of it..
See the engines.jpg (attached)
Most models just texture this, now I want the structure to have that hollow feel, so I have 2 options: an alpha map for the honey comb grid or model it. I take it alpha transparencies are out of the question??
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Double Post :facepalm:
Jimmy can tell me off later :bitch: lol
Anyway I have a question, The Rear nacelles of the defiant are actually a hollow structure, and that honey comb meshing is at the front of it..
See the engines.jpg (attached)
Most models just texture this, now I want the structure to have that hollow feel, so I have 2 options: an alpha map for the honey comb grid or model it. I take it alpha transparencies are out of the question??
021310061976's defiant has modeled engines and I definitely think it looks 100% better than just textured engines ;)
~Jb
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Most models just texture this, now I want the structure to have that hollow feel, so I have 2 options: an alpha map for the honey comb grid or model it. I take it alpha transparencies are out of the question??
I got to agree it would be nice to see it modeled
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i second that notion, model them out, but that meshing would be a nightmare to do, when i did the side cover mesh on my chopper model, it chugged the HELL out of my poor lil pc:
(but it was a high poly model to begin with, that just added fuel to the fire)
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Take a look at Lint's Defiant model, it did something like that.
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Take a look at Lint's Defiant model, it did something like that.
That wasn't lint's ;)
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Thanks fellas, ur input is appreciated :thumbsup:
A modeled honeycomb feature with depth like that will impact heavily on the poly count but if transparencies are out of the question and no one has found a way to make them work on the BCC engine, then I will go with that.
I agree it is worth it :thumbsup:
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I think with transparencies, the glows do not "glow" out of them, so modelling is probably your best bet ;)
~Jb
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I think with transparencies, the glows do not "glow" out of them, so modelling is probably your best bet ;)
~Jb
Understood :thumbsup:
Thanks JB
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actually you may want to ask DJ and Adonis about transparencies. (Adonis has done some crazy see through nacelles in the past)
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Wait, Glowing out of transparencies... Could the fake deferred lighting system work?
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i would model everything out, then render it onto a plane as a texture to create the illusion, but that would only work on one angle and look funky from others. but DJ would be the one to ask.
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Double Post :facepalm:
Jimmy can tell me off later :bitch: lol
wait - how did i miss that?? lol :P
aww it's ok marky - youre awesome and a hottie so youre allowed :kiss: lol j/k *runs*
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Yay.. :yay:
Wonder what else I can get away with :evil:
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Actually I think Cord is probably the resident expert on transparency at the moment.
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Actually I think Cord is probably the resident expert on transparency at the moment.
Thanks for all the input in regard to the engines fellas.. its appreciated.
So I have modeled them in, I like em, in this state though it adds a huge amount of polies because of the cage and keeping it meshed. When finished this model may end up being 30k Triangles at this rate...... :facepalm:
I'll throw my hand down as always and show you the cards, its a 100% perfect mesh wise 30k, and i reckon 2 x 2048 maps to boot. :eek
How does that sit with the machines of 2011??
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*moar coookeeez* :D
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Looks fantastic mate :bow:
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OMFG ! instant winner :bow: cookie !
ATM she looks like 'damn hot' ... imagine what it will be like when she's textured !!!
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I'll throw my hand down as always and show you the cards, its a 100% perfect mesh wise 30k, and i reckon 2 x 2048 maps to boot. :eek
How does that sit with the machines of 2011??
Show us a wireframe shot!
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What would you like to see? Hidden line or pure wire frame? :idk:
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My Comp is gonna die...
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Real nice Marky!
Cookie.
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Wouldn't making the honeycomb a plane reduce the polies, as it's not like you'll be able to see that much detail.
Looking frikkin awesome btw mark ;)
~Jb
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Wouldn't making the honeycomb a plane reduce the polies, as it's not like you'll be able to see that much detail.
Looking frikkin awesome btw mark ;)
~Jb
Agreed, I would say it would shave off 20+k polies...which would be great for my old stupid compy!!!
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I'll throw my hand down as always and show you the cards, its a 100% perfect mesh wise 30k, and i reckon 2 x 2048 maps to boot. :eek
How does that sit with the machines of 2011??
Wouldn't making the honeycomb a plane reduce the polies, as it's not like you'll be able to see that much detail. ............
Definitely be hard on the older machines, but my god, what awesome detail! :drool:
If it isn't possible to get the grating to look that good with a plane, I would try to get it down on other parts of the ship that would not be as noticeable if possible. Just looks too good man. Have a well deserved cookie.
Exceptional work. :thumbsup:
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Love the (grilles? lattice? honeycomb? :idk:)...the attention to detail :)
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Thanks for all the comments and cookies fellas. :)
Wouldn't making the honeycomb a plane reduce the polies, as it's not like you'll be able to see that much detail.
Looking frikkin awesome btw mark ;)
~Jb
I was thinking about that last night, I will have a rebuild tonight and try it with a plane, and once modeled in share the new expected count.
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I feel like if that honeycomb had a scent it would smell like a Honeycrisp apple.
My strange way of saying :thumbsup:
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Mark, I don't see it as necessary to completely remodel the grilles. Just select by smoothing group and delete the rest . . . ;)
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Mark, I don't see it as necessary to completely remodel the grilles. Just select by smoothing group and delete the rest . . . ;)
Yeah, I had them grouped mate, and when I unified them and made them one mesh I did not, remove the groups before it was unified, either way... after many painful hours they have been rebuilt, and thanks to your suggestions and positive comments that kept me motivated she is now sitting at 8.7k polies entirely unified and 100%.
Im not building them again :lostit: They were a pain :thumbsup:
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Just wow! COOKIE :thumbsup:
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Mesh looks fantastic Marky! Can't wait to see her textured. :yay:
*Cookied*
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i think i messed my self :bow: - this is going to be the best one yet - i'll have to pm you about letting me do a new Kadet :D
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Glad you considered my suggestion and it still looks amazing ;) Can't wait to see the textures :)
~Jb
Cookie
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Thanks fellas :thumbsup:
i think i messed my self :bow: - this is going to be the best one yet - i'll have to pm you about letting me do a new Kadet :D
Pm me whenever you like mate, or just chat to me on FB :thumbsup:
Glad you considered my suggestion and it still looks amazing ;) Can't wait to see the textures :)
~Jb
Cookie
I had considered doing it before I made the fleshed out version mate... but you saying it and the poly count gong through the roof was enough of a persuasion lol so ty :thumbsup:
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That's it for 2nite, sleepy time UK :)
Take it easy peeps :thumbsup:
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:dance :yay: :bow: :hithead:
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:dance :yay: :bow: :hithead:
:yeahthat:
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I have one little nitpick here :P
the ring around the bridge is supposed to be flush with the front of the lower ring if you can understand that.
top view:
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is to be
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Well spotted mate, i will correct that :thumbsup:
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mark my mate, can u do me a HUGE favor - can u RECORD the processes as the defiant is a B*T*H as it is it might help me with my K7 and Vanguard
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Oh wow I know this ones going on my harddrive.
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That is a stunning mesh, friend. Enjoy a cookie. :)
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Cool stuff MarkyD. Glad to see the skilled artists of BC have stuck around. :]
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Cool stuff MarkyD. Glad to see the skilled artists of BC have stuck around. :]
Indeed. Now if only some would finally get around to finishing a certain ship. :angel
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Looks excellent ther Marky! Can't wait to see the refinements and textures :D
One question, will this all be one texture? Or will there be two or more?
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Indeed. Now if only some would finally get around to finishing a certain ship. :angel
:yeahthat:
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You know what I always wondered? When the USS Sao Paulo was renamed USS Defiant, shouldn't her registry have changed? It seems like they would have changed it to NCC-74205-A or at least NCC-74205.
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You know what I always wondered? When the USS Sao Paulo was renamed USS Defiant, shouldn't her registry have changed? It seems like they would have changed it to NCC-74205-A or at least NCC-74205.
The registry should've probably been changed. But most of the battle scenes post-Sao Paolo, were reused from previous episodes (with the original USS Defiant).
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Looks excellent ther Marky! Can't wait to see the refinements and textures :D
One question, will this all be one texture? Or will there be two or more?
Just the one mate, a single 2048 sheet.
The registry should've probably been changed. But most of the battle scenes post-Sao Paolo, were reused from previous episodes (with the original USS Defiant).
I agree it should have changed, at least have an added "A" to the end.
Thanks for all your comments and cookies guys. ;-)
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The registry should've probably been changed. But most of the battle scenes post-Sao Paolo, were reused from previous episodes (with the original USS Defiant).
:yeahthat: Repainting the model to reflect a new registry wouldn't have been cost effective, especially considering that it would only be seen in the last episode. I remember reading somewhere though that as far as Ronald D. Moore was concerned the new Defiant did get the 74205-A registry, even if the studio didn't want to fork up the bucks to put it on-screen.
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Just the one mate, a single 2048 sheet.
I agree it should have changed, at least have an added "A" to the end.
Thanks for all your comments and cookies guys. ;-)
SWEET! Might I ask will there be a blank for us "Wanna make our own ship" junkies? :D (BTW...Skinning and Damaging Tool FTW!)
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SWEET! Might I ask will there be a blank for us "Wanna make our own ship" junkies? :D (BTW...Skinning and Damaging Tool FTW!)
No problems :thumbsup:
Sorry for the lack of updates, I am due to get married in 3 days, so its a bit manic at the minute with family and stuff here. I will get the mesh finalised as soon as I am back from Croatia.
;)
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Congrates to you and your bride. Welcome to the ball and chain club.
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Sorry for the lack of updates, I am due to get married in 3 days, so its a bit manic at the minute with family and stuff here. I will get the mesh finalised as soon as I am back from Croatia.
Congrats! i still have 2 years before me and Kim tie the knot, but for you my friend.... DRINKS ALL AROUND!!!
:drink: :drink3: :drink2: :smoke
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No problems :thumbsup:
Sorry for the lack of updates, I am due to get married in 3 days, so its a bit manic at the minute with family and stuff here. I will get the mesh finalised as soon as I am back from Croatia.
;)
Congrats!!! Just remember that she is ALWAYS 100% right and you're good to go!!!
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:thumbsup:Good luck man!
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Wow ! Congratulations Marky !
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I'm happy to hear that, Marky. Best of luck to the both of you. Enjoy this small wedding present: *cookie*. :thumbsup:
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congrads mon ami!! :D
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Congratulations Marky! May you enjoy a wonderful life together!
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Congrats Marky! Here's to you guys! :drink2:
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Congrats Marky :dance :yay: have fun on your honeymoon
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Thanks everyone, big day tomorrow :eek
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of course you will do what I did on my last night, in bed by 10pm with a cup of coco... :angel
Nah hit the clubs till 2am via a lap dancing bar... :evil:
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Cheers! Make sure you sweep her off her feet, literally!
Also, feel free to post pics. :thumbsup:
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Cheers! Make sure you sweep her off her feet, literally!
Also, feel free to post pics. :thumbsup:
I will ;)
of course you will do what I did on my last night, in bed by 10pm with a cup of coco... :angel
Nah hit the clubs till 2am via a lap dancing bar... :evil:
LOL :nono: No such luck I am afraid, I have decided to spend my last free night as a single man working on the Defiant, she is down to 10k polies now, and the bussard collectors are finished, fixed that lip on the upper ring that was spotted too. :thumbsup:
Thanks fellas.
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Looks absolutely awesome Marky!
Have a great wedding, don't get too drunk ;)
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Definitely the only way a true Trekkie would spend it! She's looking great man! :thumbsup:
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Really mate. She let you work on the ship the night before, Think that confirms she is a keeper, you should be a condemned ....er ....Married man by the time you read this lol
I bet we have a great day lol
:dance
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Bachelor parties???
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Not my favourite ship class but an excellent quality mesh non-the-less. I am curious how accurate your looking to go with the textures though. I take it they'll be 2048*2048??
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Not my favourite ship class but an excellent quality mesh non-the-less. I am curious how accurate your looking to go with the textures though. I take it they'll be 2048*2048??
considering markys attention to detail (wich some of us lack *cough* CyAn1d3 :lostit:) and the fact that this is based off of Saquists project "the accurate defiant", im under the assumption its going to be as accurate as humanly possible.
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A few more details and it wouldn't need textures, :funny
Looks awesome, and congratulations on the wedding.
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Marky...this is the sh*t-2000 :salute3:
Jimmy...you're cool :sam:
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Thanks again for the kind words fellas :thumbsup:
considering markys attention to detail (wich some of us lack *cough* CyAn1d3 :lostit:) and the fact that this is based off of Saquists project "the accurate defiant", im under the assumption its going to be as accurate as humanly possible.
As accurate as it may look in the renders, this is not supposed to be 100% accurate, and is no reflection on Saquists project, I do though appreciate the positive comments so thanks CyAn1d3.
Not my favourite ship class but an excellent quality mesh non-the-less. I am curious how accurate your looking to go with the textures though. I take it they'll be 2048*2048??
Thats correct old buddy, Im going to map to a singular 2048 sheet :)
So the Defiant mesh is now as far as I am going to take her i reckon, I really want to start on the textures so spent today adjusting some smoothing groups, and adding in some final pieces. I also managed to cut a few more polies and she is now sitting on the fat end of 9800 polies, so that should keep Jimmy satisfied :facepalm: LOL
Included a wire for you modeling JUNKIES ;)
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Gorgeous mesh. I appreciate that you've used your polygons economically.
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Now, after texturing...is this a home-grown hp or or are you outsourcing it? Honestly, I would just fly around in it, it's so purdy...
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I think the only the part I would add is the detailing on the nose, other than that, it looks awesome
~Jb
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Beautiful job Marky!
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WB Marky. Hope u had an excellent honeymoon. The defiant mesh looks fantastic
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I think the only the part I would add is the detailing on the nose, other than that, it looks awesome
~Jb
And maybe the lateral and dorsal phaser arrays. But I guess those could be textured on.
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And maybe the lateral and dorsal phaser arrays. But I guess those could be textured on.
I know about the ones by the bridge, but lateral phaser arrays?
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I know about the ones by the bridge, but lateral phaser arrays?
They're on the sides of the warp engines.
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Bravo with modeling the Warp Engine Vent meshes. About time.
With alphas smartly lighting up the interior it should give the Defiant a very Dynamic look just like the lit model.
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The mesh is looking awesome! Definitivelly you know how to do a good job! :thumbsup:
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nice defiant so far, one of my fav ships ;)
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Very clean mesh. Lookin' good!
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They're on the sides of the warp engines.
Those are phasers?? :s
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Those are phasers?? :s
Yep! :)
http://images.wikia.com/startrek/images/b/b6/Defiant_schematic.jpg
Its the strip right above the pennant and next to the registry on the side pic.
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Wow, I would never say I've seen these in the series ...
Amazing job on the model Marky ! have a cookie !
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Wow, I would never say I've seen these in the series ...
Amazing job on the model Marky ! have a cookie !
Well I'll be damned, there it is!
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Were they Ever fired?
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Don't think so.
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the only time we ever saw phasers fired was the alternate Defiant in the mirror universe.. we never saw the regular defiant fire any kind of beam phaser..only pulse phasers
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the only time we ever saw phasers fired was the alternate Defiant in the mirror universe.. we never saw the regular defiant fire any kind of beam phaser..only pulse phasers
but There was. Against the lakota.
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the only time we ever saw phasers fired was the alternate Defiant in the mirror universe.. we never saw the regular defiant fire any kind of beam phaser..only pulse phasers
Plus the Terran Defiant was the same ship... - quantum torpedoes and ablative armor.
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Plus the Terran Defiant was the same ship... - quantum torpedoes and ablative armor.
Actually..not go off topic...but the Terran Defiant never fired quantum torpedos..she fired a 'high powered photon torpedo' or something to that effect as it was quoted and she only fired one..the rest of the battle was pulse phasers and the dorsal bridge phaser beam.. and yes..you are correct..we did see her fire the dorsal bridge phaser in 'paradise lost' as well as an aft torpedo
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Ahem...So marky, are you planning on making this a pack???
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Nice mesh Marky mate :thumbsup: , you could still nuke some polies there on the nose, and fore top and the extrusion on the back. ;)
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Actually..not go off topic...but the Terran Defiant never fired quantum torpedos..she fired a 'high powered photon torpedo' or something to that effect as it was quoted and she only fired one..the rest of the battle was pulse phasers and the dorsal bridge phaser beam.. and yes..you are correct..we did see her fire the dorsal bridge phaser in 'paradise lost' as well as an aft torpedo
That was supossed to signify minus quantum torpedoes and ablative armor :idk:
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Well I'll be damned, there it is!
I'm not so sure...
I've got some pretty nice picks of Defiant on the hard drive and these seemed to be one of many unexplained raised features on the hull.
They aren't marked with the traditional Red Parenthetical that other Federation ships have at either end of the phaser strip. (which means nothing because where ever the top phaser beam comes from doesn't have the Red Parenthetical either)
It's the same feature (without circular indents) as on the nose, between the aft dorsal vents and other locations.
I like the idea of them being phasers or something. Defiant is so unexplained as to surface features...I'm still trying to decide where that torpedo came from in Paradise lost....
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I imagine that those strips are sensor grids, much like the one on the dorsal part of the nacelle in the same area. It's got the same hash-mark indention as the sensor grid, but only comes in strips. And it would make sense in a coverage aspect: they all face a certain direction, and having them in the locations that they are would create a good sensor coverage area.
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Uhm, I'm not trying to be mean here, but couldn't this be discussed in the General Trek thread??? Not sure what relevance this would have on Marky's model...
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Uhm, I'm not trying to be mean here, but couldn't this be discussed in the General Trek thread??? Not sure what relevance this would have on Marky's model...
:yeahthat
although I did enjoy reading the feedback, and additional detail regarding the phasers.
Nice mesh Marky mate :thumbsup: , you could still nuke some polies there on the nose, and fore top and the extrusion on the back. ;)
Thanks Jules, Yeah you are prob right.. but to be honest I will leave her for now and just texture away, If It looks weak without those areas modelled in I will rectify :thumbsup:
Thanks everyone for your comments and feedback, thanks DJ for noticing the work on the mesh to keep it efficient. This model will not be part of a pack, although I do plan on creating more than one set of textures for when she is released, including a Black defiant and a Alternate Universe texture too. After that though I am taking a break from trek stuff and going to do some high poly stuff and see how far I can push myself on a new project. For now though work continues on the Defiant, took me a while to get the UVW mapping working on 2012 correctly, those who have upgraded will notice all the issues :facepalm:
Mapping is complete, to a singular texture sheet as promised, just need to adjust for symmetry in places, but its there.
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:yeahthat
although I did enjoy reading the feedback, and additional detail regarding the phasers.
Thanks Jules, Yeah you are prob right.. but to be honest I will leave her for now and just texture away, If It looks weak without those areas modelled in I will rectify :thumbsup:
Thanks everyone for your comments and feedback, thanks DJ for noticing the work on the mesh to keep it efficient. This model will not be part of a pack, although I do plan on creating more than one set of textures for when she is released, including a Black defiant and a Alternate Universe texture too. After that though I am taking a break from trek stuff and going to do some high poly stuff and see how far I can push myself on a new project. For now though work continues on the Defiant, took me a while to get the UVW mapping working on 2012 correctly, those who have upgraded will notice all the issues :facepalm:
Mapping is complete, to a singular texture sheet as promised, just need to adjust for symmetry in places, but its there.
Can't wait!
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Little update,
Texturing is going slow, its mainly due to me trying to get this looking great and the fact that i'm busy with work stuff most of the time, any hoot here is where we are at.
I am going for 100% no distortions in these textures, no random angles where lines are not straight etc.. also I will be making this a 3 year old dirty defiant :thumbsup:
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and ur sure you dont mind me doing the FAS retexture of her when she's done - she's beautiful - will be my pride and joy of my fleet :D
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I really look forward to this.
Awesome work Marky.
Cookie for you!
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Wow!! Amazing!!!
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Gawd if only I had your skills :P
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oh yeah! A black Defiant sounds fantastic! :dance
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Thanks fellas,
oh yeah! A black Defiant sounds fantastic! :dance
It does, my brother read about it in a trek novel (he loves to read). When I am done with the regular defiant, the stealth one is defiantely on the cards as soon as he gives me all the descriptions in the book that is :)
Again, not a huge amount of progress, but I have put in many hours on this over the past few days, allot of them have been spent learning Illustrator as I go for the hull panel lines. These are just place holders for the panels so I can shade them properly later on. :thumbsup:
Hopefully I will get the top side all panelled out today. Illustator is a great piece of kit, I have had version CS for a while now since buying it from ebay, I should have used it many moons ago.
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Can anyone tell me what colour the plasma vents should emit? (four round ones on either side) Also does the grill above main engineering glow? (two back rectangular features)
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A black Defiant...that would probably be the U.S.S. Monitor. :evil:
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A black Defiant...that would probably be the U.S.S. Monitor. :evil:
Really :doh:
Please share any info :)
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As I recall, the U.S.S. Monitor was designed, unlike the Defiant, purely for Borg-fighting as well as stealth. She had no external running lights or bold Starfleet pennants. The hull was black and not even the ship's name could be seen unless sunlight reflected off of it just right. The Monitor's engines were tuned to emit in the ultraviolet spectrum as to not show exactly where the ship was with the usual bright reds and blues. The ship was equipped with a cloaking device, pulse phaser cannons, and photon torpedoes(I can't remember if it had quantum torpedoes or not).
The ship comes from William Shatner's Star Trek novels that detail the return of James T. Kirk after the events of Star Trek Generations.
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As I recall, the U.S.S. Monitor was designed, unlike the Defiant, purely for Borg-fighting as well as stealth. She had no external running lights or bold Starfleet pennants. The hull was black and not even the ship's name could be seen unless sunlight reflected off of it just right. The Monitor's engines were tuned to emit in the ultraviolet spectrum as to not show exactly where the ship was with the usual bright reds and blues. The ship was equipped with a cloaking device, pulse phaser cannons, and photon torpedoes(I can't remember if it had quantum torpedoes or not).
The ship comes from William Shatner's Star Trek novels that detail the return of James T. Kirk after the events of Star Trek Generations.
I have that book...can't remember the title, but it's the one where Kirk is chasing Picard around onboard the Challenger trying to kill him, and even Spock has an appearance :D
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As I recall, the U.S.S. Monitor was designed, unlike the Defiant, purely for Borg-fighting as well as stealth. She had no external running lights or bold Starfleet pennants. The hull was black and not even the ship's name could be seen unless sunlight reflected off of it just right. The Monitor's engines were tuned to emit in the ultraviolet spectrum as to not show exactly where the ship was with the usual bright reds and blues. The ship was equipped with a cloaking device, pulse phaser cannons, and photon torpedoes(I can't remember if it had quantum torpedoes or not).
The ship comes from William Shatner's Star Trek novels that detail the return of James T. Kirk after the events of Star Trek Generations.
I have that book...can't remember the title, but it's the one where Kirk is chasing Picard around onboard the Challenger trying to kill him, and even Spock has an appearance :D
I need to read more. . .that sounds like so much fun :yay:
Thanks for the info on the "Monitor!" Should make an interesting texture project :) I suppose I will darken the textures and make the monitor the same colour scheme as a US stealth fighter, thats prob where the writers got there insperation ;)
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Can anyone tell me what colour the plasma vents should emit? (four round ones on either side) Also does the grill above main engineering glow? (two back rectangular features)
The four round thingies have a blue backlight and the grilles have a red backlight ;)
You could render their lightning with light tracer on. :D
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Jules :D
As always ... "A Saviour!"
Many thanks my friend :thumbsup:
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Top Panels finished, time to go watch crap on TV :facepalm:
:thumbsup: Take care guys.
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time to go watch crap on TV :facepalm:
lol story of my life... :P
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Looks fantastic so far. :yay:
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Jules :D
As always ... "A Saviour!"
Many thanks my friend :thumbsup:
Don't mention it :D Always glad to help out wherever I can ;)
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lol story of my life... :P
join the club. he have jackets.
panel outlines look gewd marky!
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I apologise for the massive lack of updates.
I go to afghanistan in 5 weeks, we have to replace a large American contingent who need to move somewhere else that I cannot explain here. Basically the screw is turned for training the past 2-3 months and now we are ready to go back into the fire..
Fellas take it easy, model well and have a great year. will catch up with you all in October when i get back ;)
Can a MOD please lock this thread.
Thank you.
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Good luck out there, hope all is well. :thumbsup:
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Good luck :thumbsup: and bring us that awesome Defiant when you get back :P
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Same to you and best of luck, be safe. :thumbsup:
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Be safe brother. See you in October.